so what with all the cheap ar15,s

[canuck98k]

Because you have a lower IQ population entering the firearms community, they want instant satisfaction out of the gates and don't want to pay for it.

I would never buy a Norinco, I'm sorry but there garbage, the ones I have seen would not hold up and are not all in consistent spec from one Norc to another Norc. If that is all you can afford then I understand, but most people I have seen should have just saved for the decent AR like a bushmaster for example, or the prices at Questar in regards to LMT's are perfect. Most people I have seen rather buy a tone of guns and they did or won't cut down on there booze or cigarettes intake. I thought about getting a s**tty AR like a Norc for taking guest to the range, and decided against it. Forget that liability, the thing might explode in my hands.

As for people that are putting Airsoft parts on there AR's????? this just shows a total lack of responsibilities and retardation at the tenth degree.

I have herd of people selling there Roni kits and buying airsoft ones for there glocks, then using them and having them fail and blaming it on the installer or purchaser."saying it had that catastrophic failure because you never installed it properly" WTF Talk about retarded, you never installed a replica toy properly on your Glock and you think that was the first problem...give me a break...The reasoning of well it's a toy that was never built to withstand the pressure or heat tranfer to cheap plastic of firing live rds doesn't enter there minds, the only thing that does, is well "Why is it not working", talk about stupidity.

This type of personality or attitude is scrapping the bottom of the barrel in my humble opinion, and people like this could very easily give the anti-gun crowd some much needed ammo.

We have to attract smart, intelligent/responsible, and people of good character. Not the Village idiot, because that is a total recipe for disasters.

 

[badboybeeson]

I buy a cheep AR because it can only be used at the range. I spend most of my money on rifles I can use where I choose. If you could shoot a AR anywhere I would have the best money could buy but to me $1000 almost seems like too much for somthing only good for punching paper in CFO approved places.

Just to give me an idea as this the whole point of my thread.
How much time do you spend hunting how many days a month?
how much do you have into you main hunting rig??
do you have your own land to shoot on? I ask this as i like close to a rural area and i still cant find anywhere to shoot when im not goign to have the cops called on me...
bbb

 

[Denka]

Hardly guys it's not being a snob at all..I have noticed this much at the range for the past few years, I have trained and brought a lot of people into the sport and have seen the trend enough. I fully realize there are a lot of people that buy Norcs that are just as responsible as a person who buys an expensive AR, if not more. But the truth is, the days of the expensive AR did have the advantages I mentioned above.

Dude, you might be right in some points, but there are people who actually getting in this sport and go though stages as getting maybe cheap ones, then moving to more expensive ones.
I know guys having Norc as first one and selling it and getting H&K mr223 one. Myself, went from one set of firearm to another. I remember how was hard to get SKS at one point, only Norc one and then market blow up with SKS. Some people try and learn themselves what best for them.

 

[rodngun]

I bought my first ar before I was even on gunnutz. In my neck of the woods the only options I had locally (3hr drive their, 3 hr drive back) were R15, Bushmasters, Imperial Defense. I wanted one but wasn't sure which cause it was a spur of the moment buy. I actually went up their to pick up an h&r 45-70 since I loved my guide gun so much. The sales man suggest Imperial defense over all of them, that is the one I ended up buying. My question is I haven't herd much about them, only other one I've seen pop on on the ee here was the 10.5'' version and mines the 14.5'' the used 10.5 was goin for 1400 and I thought that was a STEAL! If I wasn't married I would of bought it right then and their. So my question is where do they stand on the ar-15 scale, mid?

 

[badboybeeson]

I bought my first ar before I was even on gunnutz. In my neck of the woods the only options I had locally (3hr drive their, 3 hr drive back) were R15, Bushmasters, Imperial Defense. I wanted one but wasn't sure which cause it was a spur of the moment buy. I actually went up their to pick up an h&r 45-70 since I loved my guide gun so much. The sales man suggest Imperial defense over all of them, that is the one I ended up buying. My question is I haven't herd much about them, only other one I've seen pop on on the ee here was the 10.5'' version and mines the 14.5'' the used 10.5 was goin for 1400 and I thought that was a STEAL! If I wasn't married I would of bought it right then and their. So my question is where do they stand on the ar-15 scale, mid?

From eveything i say the ID guns were very well made.
but the ID guys are all in jail and or hideing on an Island somewhere ...

 

[mmcintyre1220]

Because you have a lower IQ population entering the firearms community, they want instant satisfaction out of the gates and don't want to pay for it.

I would never buy a Norinco, I'm sorry but there garbage, the ones I have seen would not hold up and are not all in consistent spec from one Norc to another Norc. If that is all you can afford then I understand, but most people I have seen should have just saved for the decent AR like a bushmaster for example, or the prices at Questar in regards to LMT's are perfect. Most people I have seen rather buy a tone of guns and they did or won't cut down on there booze or cigarettes intake. I thought about getting a s**tty AR like a Norc for taking guest to the range, and decided against it. Forget that liability, the thing might explode in my hands.

As for people that are putting Airsoft parts on there AR's????? this just shows a total lack of responsibilities and retardation at the tenth degree.

I have herd of people selling there Roni kits and buying airsoft ones for there glocks, then using them and having them fail and blaming it on the installer or purchaser."saying it had that catastrophic failure because you never installed it properly" WTF Talk about retarded, you never installed a replica toy properly on your Glock and you think that was the first problem...give me a break...The reasoning of well it's a toy that was never built to withstand the pressure or heat tranfer to cheap plastic of firing live rds doesn't enter there minds, the only thing that does, is well "Why is it not working", talk about stupidity.

This type of personality or attitude is scrapping the bottom of the barrel in my humble opinion, and people like this could very easily give the anti-gun crowd some much needed ammo.

We have to attract smart, intelligent/responsible, and people of good character. Not the Village idiot, because that is a total recipe for disasters.

With all due respect sir: YOUR A F****** IGNORANT COC*S*****.

Please go back to what every rich neighbourhood your snobby ass came from. Enjoy your game of chess and your "High end " bottle of wine.

How the hell can you even consider saying half the #### you have said on here ? Do you really think before you speak? Canada gun nutz is one big family in my opinion and your sir are the black sheep of it.

What people buy and what people want is their own choice and does not need to be picked apart by someone like you. You do not know what they are going through financially, maybe they have no financial issues and just dont want to spent 3grand and a hole puncher.

**************Any moderators on here should please delete this thread before people end up getting kicked off the site dealing with this guy.************

 

[effinggoof]

Reading this thread, it's interesting how many guys seem to be threatened by inexpensive AR's.

 

[rodngun]

From eveything i say the ID guns were very well made.
but the ID guys are all in jail and or hideing on an Island somewhere ...

The finish is excellent, she runs beautifully, just was always curious.

 

[Guy JR]

I do most of my shooting on private property, usually 2-3 times a week. For me if I cant shoot it at home, cant take it so show off at my buddys or cant take it up to the hunt camp to show the old boys it just aint worth a lot of money.

 

[westshtr]

Jesus Christ people, not a lot of people can justify spending $2k on a "real" AR15. Even spending $700 on a Nork is a lot of money for some people.

Because what Limited time and use most of us have , why not have a good time and not injoy the finer things in life while having fun.

no one says is my say off and its been a long hard week at work, i want to take the lady our for dinner, lets go to Mc D.

If you can't have a good time with your wife at McDonalds then where can you have a good time?

LOL!!!
No not even a little bit, our products are world class, being offered at a fair price , no one need convincing to buy S&J brand products.
Im just simply asking, as i want to understand why people driving 50k cars living in a 400k house wearing $40 t shirts that call themselfs gunutz are buying the largest amount of cheap firearms products.
I understand the the shooters that have little to no money, and i understand the ones that this may not be there main hobby.
But why buy the cheap stuff, is it not better to ride in style then to ride at the back of the short bus??
bbb

Because the laws of diminishing returns.

Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.

 

[Canuck223]

Ok so been doing some thinking amd im not trying to be a gear snob, as i do own a bunch of AR15,s norks, bushys CADEX my own built guns.

But being that we can only use them at the range, why are so many people wanting the cheapest made AR15 on the market and not looking to buy somthing quality product ??

Its not like im rolling in it, i just figgered with as little use we as canadians get out of our AR,s that people would be more inclined to buy quality then crap.

what say you...

I look at firearms purchases and a max/min equation.

I hate to suffer from having spent too little and having an inferiour product.
I hate to suffer from having spent too much and having more gun than I need.

 

[Can-down]

And if you are in that category, then you are the problem....

I'm not but it seems like the majority are and if you can't see that maybe you are part of the "problem"

Saying I'm cheap doesn't change the facts or benefits the community at all, it doesn't lower the price of AR's either, the people that are doers and spent the time and the big bucks are the people that have made you the cheap AR's available.

Personally I think they should have spent there time on the higher end clientele,but that is Canada I guess.

Are you saying there is nothing out there for the higher end shooters?
Or that the idea of the gun industry marketing and selling to the average joe is bad for business and shooting in general?

 

[desporterizer]

If there is no real difference between accuracy & durability, why spend more than you have to?

 

[forbes/hutton]

Because you have a lower IQ population entering the firearms community, they want instant satisfaction out of the gates and don't want to pay for it.

I would never buy a Norinco, I'm sorry but there garbage, the ones I have seen would not hold up and are not all in consistent spec from one Norc to another Norc. If that is all you can afford then I understand, but most people I have seen should have just saved for the decent AR like a bushmaster for example, or the prices at Questar in regards to LMT's are perfect. Most people I have seen rather buy a tone of guns and they did or won't cut down on there booze or cigarettes intake. I thought about getting a s**tty AR like a Norc for taking guest to the range, and decided against it. Forget that liability, the thing might explode in my hands.

As for people that are putting Airsoft parts on there AR's????? this just shows a total lack of responsibilities and retardation at the tenth degree.

I have herd of people selling there Roni kits and buying airsoft ones for there glocks, then using them and having them fail and blaming it on the installer or purchaser."saying it had that catastrophic failure because you never installed it properly" WTF Talk about retarded, you never installed a replica toy properly on your Glock and you think that was the first problem...give me a break...The reasoning of well it's a toy that was never built to withstand the pressure or heat tranfer to cheap plastic of firing live rds doesn't enter there minds, the only thing that does, is well "Why is it not working", talk about stupidity.

This type of personality or attitude is scrapping the bottom of the barrel in my humble opinion, and people like this could very easily give the anti-gun crowd some much needed ammo.

We have to attract smart, intelligent/responsible, and people of good character. Not the Village idiot, because that is a total recipe for disasters.

Seems they used a dog for the photo as a jackass wouldn't fit in the car.

 

[VanIsler]

Because you have a lower IQ population entering the firearms community, they want instant satisfaction out of the gates and don't want to pay for it.

I would never buy a Norinco, I'm sorry but there garbage, the ones I have seen would not hold up and are not all in consistent spec from one Norc to another Norc. If that is all you can afford then I understand, but most people I have seen should have just saved for the decent AR like a bushmaster for example, or the prices at Questar in regards to LMT's are perfect. Most people I have seen rather buy a tone of guns and they did or won't cut down on there booze or cigarettes intake. I thought about getting a s**tty AR like a Norc for taking guest to the range, and decided against it. Forget that liability, the thing might explode in my hands.

As for people that are putting Airsoft parts on there AR's????? this just shows a total lack of responsibilities and retardation at the tenth degree.

I have herd of people selling there Roni kits and buying airsoft ones for there glocks, then using them and having them fail and blaming it on the installer or purchaser."saying it had that catastrophic failure because you never installed it properly" WTF Talk about retarded, you never installed a replica toy properly on your Glock and you think that was the first problem...give me a break...The reasoning of well it's a toy that was never built to withstand the pressure or heat tranfer to cheap plastic of firing live rds doesn't enter there minds, the only thing that does, is well "Why is it not working", talk about stupidity.

This type of personality or attitude is scrapping the bottom of the barrel in my humble opinion, and people like this could very easily give the anti-gun crowd some much needed ammo.

We have to attract smart, intelligent/responsible, and people of good character. Not the Village idiot, because that is a total recipe for disasters.

Ban this SOB!!! Income <> IQ. IQ <> morality.

 

[boomboy]

Because not all of us can afford a 2500 dollar rifle. I'm a broke college kid, and I can't justify spending that kind of money when I know I can buy a 700 dollar norc, and it'll go bang when I pull the trigger.

 

[Bolivar]

but restricted firearms are not a get from A-B product they are about fun and for many off us some form of action shooting and or training.
Why not have 3-4 good range only guns and not 10-15 cheap ones??
bbb

10-15 cheap rifles?!?!?!? Some of us can only afford 1 or 2 "cheap" rifles, let alone double handfuls. We don't all have the same financial pot to pay for toys with, we make due with what we have.

Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.

I've never been more angry at a post on CGN.

FYI,I am a Professional Engineer and a partner in my firm. My spouse is a teacher. We are educated and we make more than an average income. Not rich but comfortable, more so than many and damned appreciative of the position we are in and the lifestyle we can afford.

I don't shoot gucci teir 1 firearms cause I have other more important things to spend my money on. Little piddly things like a mortgage, retirement savings, utilties, taxes, food, clothing, education savings etc. I can only direct so much of my after tax dollars to my shooting hobby because I have other priorities.

I shoot a Norc and a DPMS. Not top teir by any stretch. In fact by many accounts on-line both are crap. But they work and I can afford them. I am in the game because they are available to me. I have to shell out thousands to even start I have to say screw it cause I can deprive my family of those funds that are needed for other things.

Am I a liability to the shooting sports because I shoot crap name firearms? Am I the low income societal scum you are afraid of meeting on the range? Pull your head out of your orifice.

I shoot to compete and try damn hard at it. Where I shoot I can tell you that nobody is awarded points based on the name brand on the side of the receiver, scope, or parts. Nor is a shooters CV or bank balance consulted. All are made equal on the score sheet because how you and your kit performs is what counts......not how good you look doing it.

I'm really glad I don't shoot with a bunch of jerks with attitudes like yours. There are a lot of nice, high $$$ rigs at our matches......and those shooters are mature and smart enough not to be snobs about it. Their focus is on performance and enjoying the sport....not looking down on and ridiculing others based on what kit they shoot with.

 

[cadgo]

Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.

You must have woken up this morning and wondered: "How can I be a ########## today on CGN?" and that is what you came up with.

 

[Can-down]

 

[Leibermuster]

With all due respect sir: YOUR A F****** IGNORANT COC*S*****.

Please go back to what every rich neighbourhood your snobby ass came from. Enjoy your game of chess and your "High end " bottle of wine.

How the hell can you even consider saying half the s**t you have said on here ? Do you really think before you speak? Canada gun nutz is one big family in my opinion and your sir are the black sheep of it.

What people buy and what people want is their own choice and does not need to be picked apart by someone like you. You do not know what they are going through financially, maybe they have no financial issues and just dont want to spent 3grand and a hole puncher.

**************Any moderators on here should please delete this thread before people end up getting kicked off the site dealing with this guy.************

Ridiculous and taking what I'm saying way off base, an emotional response that is unwarranted but predictable..

For the price of a Norinco that comes in at what $699 plus tax??? then what do most Norc buyers do???? they start upgrading......

Then the cost goes up, and by the time they are done they should have just bought what they really wanted in the first place right off the bat. Most people fall into this trap...

A quality AR does not cost 3grand first off...Take notice Sir...

LMT costs what $1600 at questar...

You add rails and all the goodies on your Norc and then start taking the guts out like BCG, crappy Norc trigger etc etc cost goes up..God for bid you run a course or two on them and then the failures start happening......

Many people that buy these rifles think they are literally getting the same thing and they are not.

The problem is people insist on saying there Norc is "as good as say" Bushmaster or M&P15 or even a higher quality AR, and the simple answer is they are not.


Norc follows what standard again?????What spec is that Norc at again???

Barn spec=no spec=safety hazard...

I have seen this to many times already in regards to Norcs now, they don't follow any decent standard, not to mention god only knows what kind of metal they are getting, coming from china it could be contaminated for god sakes.

For example my buddy bought a Norc, did it should = yes, was it accurate = yes.Did the magpul Pmag I gave him properly fit into the mag housing = no. In a gun fight or SHTF senario is it is a liability in my opinion. Hell Yes.

For a beginner or low budget it is okay I guess but there is a problem when that said person wants to run courses with it, or thinks he is on par with a properly built AR like LMT, or KAC.

The purpose of my posts are to make people fully aware of the huge downfalls of supporting companies like this and the unintended consequences that arise from the attitude you are showing here. It's not a class thing, people that are not usually willing to shell out the time and money usually will not take it as serious, with this new attitude or breed of shooters I have seen coming to the range now, I have to say we have to police our community a little more. As for the Norcs they have the positive of allowing people to afford and AR, but what are you really getting has to be weighed...