AAAGHHH -Blew it on 5 wolves.....REDEMPTION

Ardent said:
I've come to understand Eastern wolves don't necessarily have a lot in common with Western, but that's no Timberwolf to my eyes, female or otherwise... It is likely some form of eastern wolf, but it's definitely no Timber. I'm 6' in my boots there as a measuring stick, and he's not an especially big wolf.

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Hence the argument I had with bearklr a couple months back... Eastern or red wolves are a different speces... Much smaller... Certainly no timberwolves...

As far as the wolf in your pic it may not be big to you.... But as far as our timberwolves in northern ontario it would certainly qualify as a nice trophy... I shot two through an outfitter.. They said one of mine was a "trophy"... Yet yours dwarfs it...
 
Ardent said:
I've come to understand Eastern wolves don't necessarily have a lot in common with Western, but that's no Timberwolf to my eyes, female or otherwise... It is likely some form of eastern wolf, but it's definitely no Timber. I'm 6' in my boots there as a measuring stick, and he's not an especially big wolf.

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If that's not a big wolf, then you're not 6' tall or the picture is deceiving. :)
The Timber or Grey Wolf found from BC into NW Ontario are all pretty much the same size. The northern AB ones are the same size as the northern MB ones which are the same size as the ones found in NW ON.
I've weighed a lot of wolves in my lifetime, 6 so far this winter, and it takes a large wolf to break 100lb and a monster to go 150+. I would suggest most that figure they've shot a 150 lb wolf probably didn't weigh it.

My guess would be that wolf in your picture is 120-130 lbs which is a very large wolf, unless it's a clever pic or you're a Leprechaun. :D
 
bearkilr said:
My guess would be that wolf in your picture is 120-130 lbs which is a very large wolf, unless it's a clever pic or you're a Leprechaun. :D
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No trickery to the pic, and you're dead on with weight, we have more angles if my scout's honour should be called into question. :) I'm a standard 50th percentile white guy; 6' in footwear as photographed, 180lbs.

He's a pretty typical mature Northern Alberta male, 120lbs+ is not uncommon here, and bigger happens often too. I think what we need is pics of multiple wolves on a scale, I could possibly do that as my good friend traps, though it might take awhile. I can't help but chuckle at all the Eastern Canada/Ontario (doesn't include bearkilr, he sees lots) guys who call photoshop immediately- they actually do get very large. Bigger than small bears, and some deer posted on this site, for real. See redrider's recently posted photo of a melanistic Alberta wolf as well and note skull size, solid male.
 
Checkout mckinnon and co. outfitters ,n. of Athabasca .There is also scott taylor in Peace river,bearpaw outfitters,give them a look.Lots of average wolves but definitely some big ones.
 
Superbrad said:
They said one of mine was a "trophy"... Yet yours dwarfs it...
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While I'd love to bask in the eternal glory of a trophy hunt saga or story behind that pic, the reality is rather dull. I'm just holding a good male up in cold storage, one of the many wolves that go through there. There was a bigger male two weeks ago. I have the privilege of seeing lots of wolves, alive and otherwise, through a combination of my job (I work just above the trees in remote areas of the North), a good friend who traps, and hunting and living in the relative North at 59 degrees. I have yet to 'trophy' hunt Wolves, but it would feel a little like insider trading. Perhaps not so for a true monster, who am I kidding, I want to get a real monster.
 
Ardent said:
While I'd love to bask in the eternal glory of a trophy hunt saga or story behind that pic, the reality is rather dull. I'm just holding a good male up in cold storage, one of the many wolves that go through there. There was a bigger male two weeks ago. I have the privilege of seeing lots of wolves, alive and otherwise, through a combination of my job (I work just above the trees in remote areas of the North), a good friend who traps, and hunting and living in the relative North at 59 degrees. I have yet to 'trophy' hunt Wolves, but it would feel a little like insider trading. Perhaps not so for a true monster, who am I kidding, I want to get a real monster.
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Who wouldn't?... They are wary prey... I feel priveledged to have taken the two I did.. If not guilty for having to have paid a a guide premium to do so... I worked for them... But it could have been harder...
 
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The one in the picture with Gunner410 is a small female. The one I shot last year was much larger than this one if you check out that post.

Bottom line - we have very few coyotes on the north shore of Lake Superior where we live. There are a few close to town, but mainly wolves.

Our numbers are substantially lower than a couple of years ago - we are only about a klick from where the fellow that shot the wolf in the pic called 12 of them out onto the ice of a lake 3 years ago - unfortunately wasnt able to get them into range for a shot.

Hopefully the 4 will be back tomorrow - no sign of them of today.
 
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Chas said:
The one in the picture with Gunner410 is a small female. The one I shot last year was much larger than this one if you check out that post.

Bottom line - we have very few coyotes on the north shore of Lake Superior where we live. There are a few close to town, but mainly wolves.

Our numbers are substantially lower than a couple of years ago - we are only about a klick from where the fellow that shot the wolf in the pic called 12 of them out onto the ice of a lake - unfortunately wasnt able to get them into range for a shot.

Hopefully they will be back tomorrow - no sign of them of today.
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I really think you guys should get a deer decoy or coyote decoy and set it out somewhere and call. I can't imagine how hard my heart would pound if I had a pack of wolves running my way coming to the call.
 
I like the set up you have Chas.. its a great idea to be able to walk up (sneak) and finding youre targets unknowingly being scoped... I love it. Hopefully you will see more big game in youre area this fall.:D
 
A couple more wolves from Northern Alberta, from a member here's line. Timberwolves just like any other animal have size differences across their range, just like NE BC and NW Alberta produce big Moose they do the same with Wolves. There were three more big Wolves at my feet, and unfortunately my camera timer skills are limited and I missed the black guy's head.

This is why I get confused when Wolves from East of Alberta are posted- they don't quite look the same as what are referred to as "Wolves" here.

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Ardent said:
A couple more wolves from Northern Alberta, from a member here's line. Timberwolves just like any other animal have size differences across their range, just like NE BC and NW Alberta produce big Moose they do the same with Wolves. There were three more big Wolves at my feet, and unfortunately my camera timer skills are limited and I missed the black guy's head.

This is why I get confused when Wolves from East of Alberta are posted- they don't quite look the same as what are referred to as "Wolves" here.

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Can you post a pic at eye level? Setting the camera on the ground and pointing it skyward makes for great trophy photos, but does little to show actual size. I'm sure you knew that though. ;)

As much as you Albertans like to think of yourselves as Little Texas, the wolves from Northern SK and MB are the same species and size and like with all animals there are very large ones, very small ones and a whole bunch of inbetween sizes.
I also wasn't aware that your moose are as large as the Northern BC variety.Pretty much all top Canada Moose B&C entries come from Northern BC near the Yukon border, at least according to "the book". :D
 
bearkilr said:
Can you post a pic at eye level? Setting the camera on the ground and pointing it skyward makes for great trophy photos, but does little to show actual size. I'm sure you knew that though. ;)

As much as you Albertans like to think of yourselves as Little Texas, the wolves from Northern SK and MB are the same species and size and like with all animals there are very large ones, very small ones and a whole bunch of inbetween sizes.
I also wasn't aware that your moose are as large as the Northern BC variety.Pretty much all top Canada Moose B&C entries come from Northern BC near the Yukon border, at least according to "the book". :D
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Yep, we're dead on a level with Northern BC and 100 miles East of the border, plenty of book Moose come out of outfitters around Keg River, Rainbow Lake, High Level, and so forth. I still spend more than half my time in that area of Northern BC thanks to work and last moved from Fort Nelson BC to Northern Alberta several years ago, it's all one big area consistent conditions. That shelf was all that was convenient to rest a camera on and to fit most of that wolf in the picture. I would have had to carry him back ten feet without angling to get him in the frame- he's not light. This is getting amusing, reference the other photo for a straight on level shot taken by a 6'1 / 'standard level' guy member of this site. I can do a half dozen or more "level" photos if really needed this winter, but I'm starting to think I'm arguing with no purpose or end. It's pretty evident to me Wolves are bigger as you go West and into the moderate North- just as Moose are, just as Bears are and so forth. I don't care how you cut it or argue camera angles, that's a big dog, one of many that come out of this area. Next we'll be asked to do walk around videos to demonstrate it's not photoshop or camera angle. :redface:
 
Ardent said:
Yep, we're dead on a level with Northern BC and 100 miles East of the border, plenty of book Moose come out of outfitters around Keg River, Rainbow Lake, High Level, and so forth. I still spend more than half my time in that area of Northern BC thanks to work and last moved from Fort Nelson BC to Northern Alberta several years ago, it's all one big area consistent conditions. That shelf was all that was convenient to rest a camera on and to fit most of that wolf in the picture. I would have had to carry him back ten feet without angling to get him in the frame- he's not light. This is getting amusing, reference the other photo for a straight on level shot taken by a 6'1 / 'standard level' guy member of this site. I can do a half dozen or more "level" photos if really needed this winter, but I'm starting to think I'm arguing with no purpose or end. It's pretty evident to me Wolves are bigger as you go West and into the moderate North- just as Moose are, just as Bears are and so forth. I don't care how you cut it or argue camera angles, that's a big dog, one of many that come out of this area. Next we'll be asked to do walk around videos to demonstrate it's not photoshop or camera angle. :redface:
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Bergmann's Law deals with latitude and temperature zones, not longitude, and it is by no means an absolute as available food source plays a huge part. I don't want to argue. If you'd like to think any given species gets larger as you go west, then by all means you have that right, as this is a free country, at least in some respects. :)
 
I had a chance to film wolves in Wood Buffalo Park and spend time with some very knowledgeable biologists. They told me that wolves in the Peace / Athabasca delta are, on average, the biggest in the world. Cold climate and large prey mean the wolves have adapted accordingly.
 
This is why I dropped the camera down a shelf, my first attempt with another Wolf of a camera timer pic for this thread. They're big here, unless somebody cares to show a few pics of Wolves from farther East that are on average equivalent, I'm sticking to my opinion. Our CO's here also state this are (Peace and Athabasca basin, as powermaker mentions) breeds the largest Wolves in Canada.

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I'd just like to interject here for a second ansd point out that I would give my eye teeth to be able to hunt any wolves bigger than the 120 lb'rs we get up north here... Which I have had to pay a fortune to go for... You guys are very fortunate....
 
Just like Sask produces some of the biggest white tails. Body size and racks. I think it's the gene pool to some extent.
 
back to the original post - back out to the bait site this morning but no joy. they were there sometime after the snowfall late last night and when we got there first thing this am based on the fresh tracks in the snow. They had dug down into the ice and chewed on some of the bones that have frozen into the ice.

Went to another site where I shot mine last year. Ravens and crows going nuts with the rabbit calls - kept calling and watching - nothing. Gunner410 and I did this for about 45 minutes and walked back to the road. As we got to the truck, a snowplow went by us. We hopped in and drove out - the snowplow was waiting for us at the junction with the highway. The driver told us that just after he passed us and went over the crest of the hill, there was a black wolf standing in the middle of the road - it was crossing over to the side we had been calling from...

Some days you just cant win....:p
 
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