Trophy Hunting vs Meat/Subsistence Hunting

Trophy hunter.

I hunt mainland BC and western Alberta. Making at least two 10 day hunts a year, I get to see quite a bit of game. When it comes to muley or whitails, I prefer to hold out for "mature" bucks. I dont count points, but if I see lots of bone on a big body and the shot presents itself, I might just take him. I'd still rather have an un-filled tag at the end of the season than trigger a small one that someone else might be thrilled to get. That being said, I have "passed" on bucks that I later regretted. I guess a "trophy" is in the eye of the beholder.
Geoff
Victoria,BC.
 
No bunnies in Ft. McMurray? I'm surprised, because I started hunting rabbit with a sling-shot in Cold Lake when I was 12 or 13 and there were tons of them. Hoping to find some here in BC, too. I love stalking the little buggers, and I love eating them even more :)

If you are lucky, you will get to see one in the Kamloops area. Maybe not the first year, but keep at it and sooner or later you will see one.
 
If you are lucky, you will get to see one in the Kamloops area. Maybe not the first year, but keep at it and sooner or later you will see one.

I'm not a particularly lucky person, but I got a few tips from some guys over at the BC hunting forum so I hope to find them sooner rather than later :) :cheers:
 
I have now read at least 6 posts that either directly or indirectly automatically equate trophy hunting with the waste of edible meat, Why is this? Why is it assumed that the minute a person has standards by which they choose to hunt, ie book wt or mulie, 6 point min on elk, 60" moose, 40" ram that the meat means nothing and will probably be wasted? Just because we hunt from a different motivation, doesn't mean we value the meat or the life any less. Why is it thought that the only righteous form of hunting is for the table exclusively?
I put forward to you hunters that this is nothing more than pandering to the antis. It is my position that I respect the game even more than meat hunters, because I hunt a much smaller percentage of the game and come home empty handed because nothing I saw met my standards. The meat hunter takes the first legal animal he sees, making him the lowest form of oportunistic predator, while I am extemely selective in my predation and have a much lower impact on the game populations as a whole.
To assume that because I hunt with a higher standard and from a different motivation, that I automatically have no regard for the meat or the life I take is narrow minded and bigoted and plays directly into the perception the antis want to proliferate.
My point being that all hunters from all prespectives, need to close ranks and not critisize each other. This does nothing more than "load the ammo" for the antis. I respect the meat hunter as my brother in the sport, and ask he would do the same of me. I think we all agree that the HUNT is what's important and the fun stops and work starts after the loud bang. This is merely the climax of a successful hunt and a very small part of the whole experience.
I and my son have converted many non hunters into hunters and even a couple of antis, with the arguement that you cannot oppose that which you have not experienced. Once or twice to the range and then a rabbit hunt or grouse hunt and the next thing you know it's "will you take me for a cariboo/sheep/moose hunt" I love it and revel in the fact I stole one from the bad guys. Some of these guys become table hunters and some in time want the heads and mounts too.

For what it's worth guys.

Douglas
 
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Meat in the freezer.

I am OK with trophy hunting, as long as you also eat what you kill. Only exception is varmint or overabundant species. If it ain't varmint and you (or someone else) are not going to eat it, then let it live!
 
I have now read at least 6 posts that either directly or indirectly automatically equate trophy hunting with the waste of edible meat, Why is this? Why is it assumed that the minute a person has standards by which they choose to hunt, ie book wt or mulie, 6 point min on elk, 60" moose, 40" ram that the meat means nothing and will probably be wasted? Just because we hunt from a different motivation, doesn't mean we value the meat or the life any less. Why is it thought that the only righteous form of hunting is for the table exclusively?
I put forward to you hunters that this is nothing more than pandering to the antis. It is my position that I respect the game even more than meat hunters, because I hunt a much smaller percentage of the game and come home empty handed because nothing I saw met my standards. The meat hunter takes the first legal animal he sees, making him the lowest form of oportunistic predator, while I am extemely selective in my predation and have a much lower impact on the game populations as a whole.
To assume that because I hunt with a higher standard and from a different motivation, that I automatically have no regard for the meat or the life I take is narrow minded and bigoted and plays directly into the perception the antis want to proliferate.
My point being that all hunters from all prespectives, need to close ranks and not critisize each other. This does nothing more than "load the ammo" for the antis. I respect the meat hunter as my brother in the sport, and ask he would do the same of me. I think we all agree that the HUNT is what's important and the fun stops and work starts after the loud bang. This is merely the climax of a successful hunt and a very small part of the whole experience.
I and my son have converted many non hunters into hunters and even a couple of antis, with the arguement that you cannot oppose that which you have not experienced. Once or twice to the range and then a rabbit hunt or grouse hunt and the next thing you know it's "will you take me for a cariboo/sheep/moose hunt" I love it and revel in the fact I stole one from the bad guys. Some of these guys become table hunters and some in time want the heads and mounts too.

For what it's worth guys.

Douglas

My thoughts and feelings are the same as yours Douglas. We as well placed new hunters under our wing and a couple years down the road they left the nest and continued the tradition. In return they educated new hunters and that is my reward in helping them.
You mentioned anti-hunters a few times and those are people who I'm definately not fearful of. Although hunters on this forum and other forums do criticize each other for whatever reason, we are still a very strong voice and brotherhood. Today we have a federal government who is supporting us by knocking down the present long gun registery. This is a very big plus for us hunters and gun owners, and once it is defeated in the house of commons I will be posting photos of bullet holes in every certificate..................better yet, I think I will use the 12 gauge with 7 1/2 shot.
At least this thread is civil and there is a mutual respect of opinions. Hunting and shooting will go on for decades to come because of the the strong voice that we have despite these little battles.:cheers:
 
I have now read at least 6 posts that either directly or indirectly automatically equate trophy hunting with the waste of edible meat, Why is this? Why is it assumed that the minute a person has standards by which they choose to hunt, ie book wt or mulie, 6 point min on elk, 60" moose, 40" ram that the meat means nothing and will probably be wasted? Just because we hunt from a different motivation, doesn't mean we value the meat or the life any less. Why is it thought that the only righteous form of hunting is for the table exclusively?
I put forward to you hunters that this is nothing more than pandering to the antis. It is my position that I respect the game even more than meat hunters, because I hunt a much smaller percentage of the game and come home empty handed because nothing I saw met my standards. The meat hunter takes the first legal animal he sees, making him the lowest form of oportunistic predator, while I am extemely selective in my predation and have a much lower impact on the game populations as a whole.
To assume that because I hunt with a higher standard and from a different motivation, that I automatically have no regard for the meat or the life I take is narrow minded and bigoted and plays directly into the perception the antis want to proliferate.
My point being that all hunters from all prespectives, need to close ranks and not critisize each other. This does nothing more than "load the ammo" for the antis. I respect the meat hunter as my brother in the sport, and ask he would do the same of me. I think we all agree that the HUNT is what's important and the fun stops and work starts after the loud bang. This is merely the climax of a successful hunt and a very small part of the whole experience.
I and my son have converted many non hunters into hunters and even a couple of antis, with the arguement that you cannot oppose that which you have not experienced. Once or twice to the range and then a rabbit hunt or grouse hunt and the next thing you know it's "will you take me for a cariboo/sheep/moose hunt" I love it and revel in the fact I stole one from the bad guys. Some of these guys become table hunters and some in time want the heads and mounts too.

For what it's worth guys.

Douglas

Why do you need to have a Trophy on your wall? What hole does it fill in you? Do you like killing? Does having that Trophy on your wall make you feel powerful or something? Im just asking... I have always been curious on what makes guys similar to yourself travel all over the world just to kill an animal and put a head on the wall. It has nothing to do with meat and you know it. You may not waste the meat but your still taking down a seasoned animal for nothing more then a Trophy.

I truly have to laugh at your posts, "im a better hunter a better provider" lol, you are hunting dumb animals for the most part with modern day technology. You hunt these animals down so you can take a Trophy and display it as some sort of victory. You just have some deep issues i believe.. but thats just me.
 
I have now read at least 6 posts that either directly or indirectly automatically equate trophy hunting with the waste of edible meat, Why is this? Why is it assumed that the minute a person has standards by which they choose to hunt, ie book wt or mulie, 6 point min on elk, 60" moose, 40" ram that the meat means nothing and will probably be wasted? Just because we hunt from a different motivation, doesn't mean we value the meat or the life any less. Why is it thought that the only righteous form of hunting is for the table exclusively?
I put forward to you hunters that this is nothing more than pandering to the antis. It is my position that I respect the game even more than meat hunters, because I hunt a much smaller percentage of the game and come home empty handed because nothing I saw met my standards. The meat hunter takes the first legal animal he sees, making him the lowest form of oportunistic predator, while I am extemely selective in my predation and have a much lower impact on the game populations as a whole.
To assume that because I hunt with a higher standard and from a different motivation, that I automatically have no regard for the meat or the life I take is narrow minded and bigoted and plays directly into the perception the antis want to proliferate.
My point being that all hunters from all prespectives, need to close ranks and not critisize each other. This does nothing more than "load the ammo" for the antis. I respect the meat hunter as my brother in the sport, and ask he would do the same of me. I think we all agree that the HUNT is what's important and the fun stops and work starts after the loud bang. This is merely the climax of a successful hunt and a very small part of the whole experience.
I and my son have converted many non hunters into hunters and even a couple of antis, with the arguement that you cannot oppose that which you have not experienced. Once or twice to the range and then a rabbit hunt or grouse hunt and the next thing you know it's "will you take me for a cariboo/sheep/moose hunt" I love it and revel in the fact I stole one from the bad guys. Some of these guys become table hunters and some in time want the heads and mounts too.

For what it's worth guys.

Douglas

Yep, and the meat we shoot overseas actually goes to people who need it more than a spiker buck shot in Ontario. More of it gets eaten, too. Doesn't mean hunting spike bucks for the freezer is a bad thing, it's just that like you, I support all sustainable and responsible hunting.
 
Why do you need to have a Trophy on your wall? What hole does it fill in you? Do you like killing? Does having that Trophy on your wall make you feel powerful or something? Im just asking... I have always been curious on what makes guys similar to yourself travel all over the world just to kill an animal and put a head on the wall. It has nothing to do with meat and you know it. You may not waste the meat but your still taking down a seasoned animal for nothing more then a Trophy.

I truly have to laugh at your posts, "im a better hunter a better provider" lol, you are hunting dumb animals for the most part with modern day technology. You hunt these animals down so you can take a Trophy and display it as some sort of victory. You just have some deep issues i believe.. but thats just me.

While you have to laugh, so do I. We hunt because we enjoy it, love it even, it's the challenge of an activity as ancient as humanity itself. I presume you likely have quite a few interests I would deem deviant, or distasteful: ####, video games perhaps, impossible action movies, partying and boozing, obnoxious gas powered toys like tricked out quads or sleds or trucks maybe. If I didn't hit your favourite past time I don't agree with, don't worry yourself, I assure you there are several things you like that c-fbmi, myself, and many others in this thread would scoff at. Some I'm sure I'd even see you as lesser for. But I respect the fact that because I don't understand something, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. I'll even gladly state my opinion, as you have, and I say this to hopefully open your eyes a bit.

How about boiling it down to one simple fact?

Without trophy hunters, that make the preservation of the more exotic and rare wild animals and their equally exotic and rare habitats valuable, we would have lost untold scores of species by now in the wild.


If you take the value sign off wildlife, which is there because hunters like c-fbmi, myself, and again many others here gladly pay for the pleasure of the hunt the wildlife is quickly wiped out to replace it with say cattle. Or, its habitat is destroyed by logging or burning of grassland for crops. Africa literally still has big game in abundance thanks largely in many areas to trophy hunting, without it, there would only be patchy maize plots and maybe a few dog sized antelope lucky to enough to avoid the snares. For example, African governments then value wildlife as they gain millions in trophy fees, and suddenly clamor to preserve the game and their habitat in the face of other "development", like cattle ranching. It is unbelievably ignorant of you to sit behind your monitor in Fort Mac and judge and denegrate all trophy hunters with one brush, as I can assure you trophy hunters have done more than you ever have or could for wildlife, wildlands, and their preservation and future.


Finally, I can tell you also know nearly nothing of hunting in general, meat, trophy, or otherwise. If you had any idea how difficult the hunts we ugly trophy hunters embark on are despite all our modern technology, and how often we return empty handed and smiling for the experience anyhow, you would hopefully begin to understand. It's nature's ultimate challenge, and taking a fine example of a rare trophy animal is an achievement, feeling, and joy no video game, bike/sled/quad/truck toy, party, or anything else can offer even a fraction of. We hunt because it is humanity's oldest sport and our instincts and passions have not yet forgotten it, and like all sports, those most interested in them gravitate towards the most challenging end of that sport's spectrum. Just because you can't grasp it doesn't mean it's wrong, it's actually far from that, and without it I would be extremely fearful for wildlife.
 
I have always had a lot of enjoyment in my hunting adventures.
I love the hunt, the chase and the kill. If I didn't, I would probably not hunt.
I raised a family of four children on game.
I actually prefer Elk and Moose to beef, personally.
That means I am not purposely chasing a big animal.
However, that does not mean that I will pass up a trophy class animal, and
I have shot several such animals over the years.
I refuse to waste any meat, since it is usually very fine table fare, and my personal ethics would not allow such a travesty.
I have no issues with any legitimate reason anyone uses to hunt.
Abide by the game laws, enjoy the outdoors, and the game is your bonus!!
Regards, Eagleye
 
Why do you need to have a Trophy on your wall? What hole does it fill in you? Do you like killing? Does having that Trophy on your wall make you feel powerful or something? Im just asking... I have always been curious on what makes guys similar to yourself travel all over the world just to kill an animal and put a head on the wall. It has nothing to do with meat and you know it. You may not waste the meat but your still taking down a seasoned animal for nothing more then a Trophy.

I truly have to laugh at your posts, "im a better hunter a better provider" lol, you are hunting dumb animals for the most part with modern day technology. You hunt these animals down so you can take a Trophy and display it as some sort of victory. You just have some deep issues i believe.. but thats just me.

I believe that trophy hunting and displaying the animal on the wall is something that you will never understand. There are some people, as yourself, that trophy hunters cannot connect with. It is something deep within a person to persue an animal that is wise, cunning, mature and ellusive. This a male with large antlers or horns. Good luck in understanding.
 
I believe that trophy hunting and displaying the animal on the wall is something that you will never understand. There are some people, as yourself, that trophy hunters cannot connect with. It is something deep within a person to persue an animal that is wise, cunning, mature and ellusive. This a male with large antlers or horns. Good luck in understanding.

Your right I dont get it. But who cares what I think anyhow. Its just my opinion. As long as its legal and nobody is getting hurt, then all the best to those that enjoy that passion.
 
While you have to laugh, so do I. We hunt because we enjoy it, love it even, it's the challenge of an activity as ancient as humanity itself. I presume you likely have quite a few interests I would deem deviant, or distasteful: ####, video games perhaps, impossible action movies, partying and boozing, obnoxious gas powered toys like tricked out quads or sleds or trucks maybe. If I didn't hit your favourite past time I don't agree with, don't worry yourself, I assure you there are several things you like that c-fbmi, myself, and many others in this thread would scoff at. Some I'm sure I'd even see you as lesser for. But I respect the fact that because I don't understand something, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. I'll even gladly state my opinion, as you have, and I say this to hopefully open your eyes a bit.

How about boiling it down to one simple fact?

Without trophy hunters, that make the preservation of the more exotic and rare wild animals and their equally exotic and rare habitats valuable, we would have lost untold scores of species by now in the wild.


If you take the value sign off wildlife, which is there because hunters like c-fbmi, myself, and again many others here gladly pay for the pleasure of the hunt the wildlife is quickly wiped out to replace it with say cattle. Or, its habitat is destroyed by logging or burning of grassland for crops. Africa literally still has big game in abundance thanks largely in many areas to trophy hunting, without it, there would only be patchy maize plots and maybe a few dog sized antelope lucky to enough to avoid the snares. For example, African governments then value wildlife as they gain millions in trophy fees, and suddenly clamor to preserve the game and their habitat in the face of other "development", like cattle ranching. It is unbelievably ignorant of you to sit behind your monitor in Fort Mac and judge and denegrate all trophy hunters with one brush, as I can assure you trophy hunters have done more than you ever have or could for wildlife, wildlands, and their preservation and future.


Finally, I can tell you also know nearly nothing of hunting in general, meat, trophy, or otherwise. If you had any idea how difficult the hunts we ugly trophy hunters embark on are despite all our modern technology, and how often we return empty handed and smiling for the experience anyhow, you would hopefully begin to understand. It's nature's ultimate challenge, and taking a fine example of a rare trophy animal is an achievement, feeling, and joy no video game, bike/sled/quad/truck toy, party, or anything else can offer even a fraction of. We hunt because it is humanity's oldest sport and our instincts and passions have not yet forgotten it, and like all sports, those most interested in them gravitate towards the most challenging end of that sport's spectrum. Just because you can't grasp it doesn't mean it's wrong, it's actually far from that, and without it I would be extremely fearful for wildlife.

lol, did i touch a nerve. The op asked for opinions, i gave mine. Dont get upset cause you dont like my point of view. I wont be out protesting your next big hunt, I wont be standing in your way. Enjoy your passion, i can see you are quite passionate about it. Sorry I can't relate to your hobbie.
 
It is interesting how the Trophy hunter puts himself on a pedestal so high that us mere mortal men will never be able to reach those lofty heights.
 
Both "trophy hunters" and "meat hunters" share one very important thing in common they are both conservationists. Unless you are poaching every hunter is helping to preserve nature and its animals and that is all that really matters ;)
 
I am that guy, I hunt for the biggest and oldest of everthing so that I may proudly hang his antlers, horns, tusks or hide on my walls. ....
I am a predator of the highest order and make no excuses for it. Cave men used to bring home tusks of mammoth and pile outside their caves to indicate they were a highly successful hunter and thereby attract more women, hence expanding the gene pool of the more successful hunters.
Boiled down to it's basics this is what trophy hunting has evolved from, an obvious statement that I am a better hunter than you. It is genetically ingrained in our DNA, and I embrace it. It says to all, that I bring home the meat better than you, that I am a more successful predator than you.

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Isn't this what all we hunters want is the best game management for all species worldwide, I know I do.
(emphasis mine)
While a trophy is good for tool and art material nothing beats being a successful meat hunter to keep your cavewoman fat enough to bear children. Wives of fussy hunters holding out for bigger mastadon tusks tend to be skinny, bitter and barren. Given the perils of hunting I'm sure nobody took on the most prime animals.
As far as game management goes- I'm with you 110%!


I have now read at least 6 posts that either directly or indirectly automatically equate trophy hunting with the waste of edible meat, Why is this?
Ignorance of what goes on on guided hunts in foreign lands. Your photo montage was inspiring beyond belief, but you forgot to follow up on some of those pics with the full backstory so that your fellow hunters that never see that part of hunting can understand the whole deal.

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I truly have to laugh at your posts, "im a better hunter a better provider" lol, you are hunting dumb animals for the most part with modern day technology. You hunt these animals down so you can take a Trophy and display it as some sort of victory.
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I'd say the beasts he is hunting are far from dumb. Whether for meat or for trophy, hunting is most definitely NOT a trip to the grocery store!

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How about boiling it down to one simple fact?

Without trophy hunters, that make the preservation of the more exotic and rare wild animals and their equally exotic and rare habitats valuable, we would have lost untold scores of species by now in the wild.

..... It is unbelievably ignorant of you to sit behind your monitor in Fort Mac and judge and denegrate all trophy hunters with one brush, as I can assure you trophy hunters have done more than you ever have or could for wildlife, wildlands, and their preservation and future.
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The benefits on wildlife and habitat protect from trophy hunting (heck, any hunting) in developing nations is undisputed but claiming that you do it to support conservation is disingenuous to say the least. If that was your interest you could and would stay at home and write checks to foreign lands or be an ecotourist. You pay because you want the trophy and the experience or the experience and the trophy and the herds and habitat they live in benefit as a by product.
That being said, I strongly encourage you to keep saving up and going on those trips- nobody takes care of things that are worthless. Just leave a couple critters for me. :D
 
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