i was going through my reloading stuff tonight, screwing around with things basically, and i wanted to start setting up the dies for depth and what not, i put a bullet onto a shot case and it just fell in. im reloading 30.06 ammo, using a lee breach lock challanger press, i made a post regarding flaring and crimping and the guys said that tapered neck rounds like rifle rounds dont need it. i dont see a crimper in my kit anywhere and its supposed to be a complete kit. using rcbs dies with this kit. am i missing something or can i use the die that presses the bullet into the case to crimp the neck since it has a taper on the inside
bullet just falls into the case?
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Ummmmmmmm, I think because you didn't re-size the case??? 30 cal is .308" diameter, unless using .303.
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That sir is correct, the first step in re-loading, de-cap and resize.(clean before if you like)
You re-loading manual will give you a step by step break down of the process.
You re-loading manual will give you a step by step break down of the process.
am i just better to decap and resize and then clean just to get any possible shavings out of it from sizing? what about lubing? lube before seating the bullet after its been cleaned sized and a new primer has gone in?
still trying to get my hands on a manual havent been able to find one in my recent travels
still trying to get my hands on a manual havent been able to find one in my recent travels
thebuckhunter
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Before you get too involved, PLEASE read more books on the subject. The 2nd edition of the Lee reloading manual is a GREAT place for beginners to start. ( About $30, your life is certainly worth more than that.) Then, find someone who can show you the ropes. There are too many things that you can do wrong and either damage a good firearm or seriously injure yourself. SAFETY FIRST!!!!!
-Jason
-Jason
If I may give some advice stop all loading and read through your reloading manual .it will give insight as to what you should be doing and in what order.if you don`t have a manual you need to get one befor you go any farther.here also is a good site with some very good videos .http://www.ammosmith.com/
thanks guys, im not making any loads yet just learning how everything works, figuring out how to de prime, prime, clean, set up the scale, etc etc. the reloading kit came with its pamphlets on how to use the press but i wont actually start doing any actual loading until ive bought the book and read it. in the mean time im just learning through you tube and asking here if i get lost. but no actual loading until the book is in my hands and im 100% sure i know what im doing. thanks for all the help guys.
The questions you are asking tell me that you have not read a "reloading how to book" from cover to cover ... ABC's or Reloading would be a gret place to start.
With that out of the way ...
Yes, the new bullets will "fall" into a fired shell. The neck of the shell expands when it is fired.
When you were told you didn't need to resize the cases, I believe you mis-understood the person telling you this. You don't need to Full Length Resize brass that is firedin your rifle. But ... you will ALWAYS need to neck size your brass. Read your reloading manual to understand the difference between them, and the reasons why a person would choose one over the other ... an entire thread could be devoted to just that.
Yes, .308 diameter bullets are correct for your 30-06. Look at the page in your reloading book that you are getting your loads from ... it will tell you the bullet diamter, along with the weightof each bullet and the powder options available.
You do not "flare" the mouth of a rifle case.
Not all rifle loads require crimping. Again, a reloading "how to" book will explain when and why you need them, and even when/why you can use them even if you don't need them.
Lube: you lube the outside of the case before resizing it.
Cleaning ... this is pretty much an :up to you" thing ... some guys prefer to clean them before resizing and depriming, to eliminate the need to manually remove teh cleaning medium form teh flash hole ... other guys like the fact that the media can clean the primer pocket if the primer has been removed during the resizing process. Myself, I clean first, then resize and deprime, then use a pocket reamer to clean the worst fo the crud from the primer pocket.
You didn't mention case length ... Are you mearuing it before starting to reload? are you deburring the case mouth after trimming it to the proper length?
Again, I cant' say this enough .... based on the questions you ahve asked, you really need to get a quality reloading book and read it thoroughly. ALL of your questions would have been answered and prevented had you done that before you started. When you know what you are doing (well informed), reloading is a fairly simple and safe process - when you don't it's still simple, but can lead to catastrophic results.
edit: Where are you located? I'm just north of Toronto, and for the price of a Timmies, I'd be happy to spend an hour or so with you and give you a hands on "intro".
With that out of the way ...
Yes, the new bullets will "fall" into a fired shell. The neck of the shell expands when it is fired.
When you were told you didn't need to resize the cases, I believe you mis-understood the person telling you this. You don't need to Full Length Resize brass that is firedin your rifle. But ... you will ALWAYS need to neck size your brass. Read your reloading manual to understand the difference between them, and the reasons why a person would choose one over the other ... an entire thread could be devoted to just that.
Yes, .308 diameter bullets are correct for your 30-06. Look at the page in your reloading book that you are getting your loads from ... it will tell you the bullet diamter, along with the weightof each bullet and the powder options available.
You do not "flare" the mouth of a rifle case.
Not all rifle loads require crimping. Again, a reloading "how to" book will explain when and why you need them, and even when/why you can use them even if you don't need them.
Lube: you lube the outside of the case before resizing it.
Cleaning ... this is pretty much an :up to you" thing ... some guys prefer to clean them before resizing and depriming, to eliminate the need to manually remove teh cleaning medium form teh flash hole ... other guys like the fact that the media can clean the primer pocket if the primer has been removed during the resizing process. Myself, I clean first, then resize and deprime, then use a pocket reamer to clean the worst fo the crud from the primer pocket.
You didn't mention case length ... Are you mearuing it before starting to reload? are you deburring the case mouth after trimming it to the proper length?
Again, I cant' say this enough .... based on the questions you ahve asked, you really need to get a quality reloading book and read it thoroughly. ALL of your questions would have been answered and prevented had you done that before you started. When you know what you are doing (well informed), reloading is a fairly simple and safe process - when you don't it's still simple, but can lead to catastrophic results.
edit: Where are you located? I'm just north of Toronto, and for the price of a Timmies, I'd be happy to spend an hour or so with you and give you a hands on "intro".
wow what? because i asked a question? isnt this what this place is for? asking questions and getting help with things?
Have you reloaded before? From your comments, it sounds like you might be a newbie to the game. If so, I'd suggest you ask someone with experience to guide you through, or at the very least, get a good loading manual.
thanks for taking the time to answer, im in the niagara region so im a bit of a drive for you, ive got a couple friends who reload that ill get to help once ive gone through the book and im ready to start. ive got a case length gauge and cutter for my caliber so it will cut each case overall length to the required length. the plan is to debur it after cutting it to length to get any sort of edges the trimming and crimping may have left.
i must have misunderstood the answer in another post i made regarding flaring and crimping, i noticed my de priming die will crimp the neck. gonna have to get the book and also double check the pamphlet that came with the dies to make sure im setting the crimping die far enough down and not too far, etc.
i only asked about the cleaning because it would make sense to me to clean them after case trimming and deburring because the cleaning would get any little shaving out. but sometime things that make sense arent always right.
gonna try and get my hands on the book this week, i need to get a tumbler too so itll be worth the trip.
again im just preparing myself and learning what i can until i get the book, getting the press and everything set up so that once ive gone through the book ill be ready to start.
also ive been through the hornady book and ive got powder to match the bullet with the velocity and powder weight taken care.
thanks again
just starting to reload, learning what i can from here and youtube and a book is a must, ive said it all along gonna get my hands on one and get a buddy who i shoot with whos reloaded to give me a hand getting set up
If you are resizing brass and depriming you are in the first stage of reloading.
You really need to RFM (read the ####ing manual) before you do anymore. If not your next post will be "how do I get a stuck case out of my die?" followed by, "I just ripped the rim off my case, now what?"
already said im buying the manual.
ive got a case stuck in my die, how do i get it out?
that was a joke
already said im buying the manual.
ive got a case stuck in my die, how do i get it out?
that was a joke
Joking aside, its good your asking, with reloading more questions is better and making a fool of yourself is much better than blowing your gun up in your face, so ask, if people think your questions are wow or
at least it means your still here.Joking aside, its good your asking, with reloading more questions is better and making a fool of yourself is much better than blowing your gun up in your face, so ask, if people think your questions are wow or
x2 ... I'd much rather spend a few minutes answering the most "basic" of reloading questions than read about how horribly something went wrong. As my Dad told me, the only stupid person is the one that won't ask a question when they should, and ther eis no such thing as a stupid question if you don't already know the answer.
