seating too deep?

U

uchi

CGN frequent flyer
Rating - 100%
12   0   0
Location
niagara falls
real quick, the overall length listed for my bullet in my case is 3.24
", i put one into the press wrong and seated it too deep, 3.200"
might not seem like much but with my machinist background and mild paranoia i just wanted to make sure this was a safe round to put through my gun. just wanna make sure, the rest are extremely close to eachother but this one was just a little deep.

also first batch of hand loads is done, tomorrow i try them out, 5 different loads. cant wait :D
 
Why not put in your bullet puller and give it a couple of hits , without completely dislodging the round and then re-seat it the proper depth?

Thats what I do if I happen to over seat a round.
 
Well - I think your #### will fall off if you try to shoot it....
Assuming you've read your manual to the point where it says to start with the minimum load, and you've followed that advice, you are fine. Pressures can go up if you load too short, or too long.
A lot of things can lead to excessive pressure, foremost is rookie reloading mistakes. Thats why the minimum load edict exists. I still operate at close to minimum loads, even after 20 years of reloading, because I still make mistakes.
 
dont own a bullet puller yet, its on the list but hasnt been bought yet. i just bought another shotgun that i had to tell the wife about, so a puller isnt in the immediate future. the book only talks about not seating it deep enough but nothing about how much is too deep. it talks about it affecting accuracy if its too deep over the other shots, i just want to make sure it wont create too much pressure.

i always have fun at the range, more so tomorrow than before, trying out some newly loaded rounds and a newly installed brake on my r700 :D
 
A bullet seated 40 thou. deeper than the others is not unsafe to shoot, unless your load is at ragged edge maximum pressure.

That amount of variation may cause it to shoot outside the group though, ... so use it for initial sighting in, or for fouling the bore after cleaning.

Give yourself a pat on the back for having caught it.:)

Enjoy your first handload testing session ..... won't be yer last!!!.
 
Seating the bullet too deep may cause increased pressures.
As a machinist you would know what a couple of thou does to say the compression ratio on a hot rod.
Don't know about your situation though.
I'm just a noob but I think it's most important to learn to seat the bullets consistently.
 
this was on one of my lighter loads. i follow the book and it was the second lightest load listed where the bullet was seated too deep. i may just toss it to be safe, i know theres still a chance of something going wrong so i think tomorrow itll just go in the dud bin. ive got enough brass kicking around that im not worried about loosing 1 piece of it.

thanks for the help and advice guys. again youve come through and helped me out quickly
 
uchi said:
this was on one of my lighter loads. i follow the book and it was the second lightest load listed where the bullet was seated too deep. i may just toss it to be safe, i know theres still a chance of something going wrong so i think tomorrow itll just go in the dud bin. ive got enough brass kicking around that im not worried about loosing 1 piece of it.

thanks for the help and advice guys. again youve come through and helped me out quickly
Click to expand...

What is the use of anybody giving you advice?
I quit quite a while ago, when I realized you were not taking anyone's advice.
You listen, reply politely, then do it your way.
Many people here have told you to shoot the light loaded cartridge that has the bullet seated a bit too deep.
So you say, "I'll just toss it!"
 
Shoot it, my bet is it will go into the group and you won't be able to pin point that round on the target. ie, it won't be a 1/4" group with a 3" inch flyer.
 
H4831 said:
What is the use of anybody giving you advice?
I quit quite a while ago, when I realized you were not taking anyone's advice.
You listen, reply politely, then do it your way.
Many people here have told you to shoot the light loaded cartridge that has the bullet seated a bit too deep.
So you say, "I'll just toss it!"
Click to expand...

i actually take a lot of the advice from here and use it. but if 5 guys say to shoot it, 1 says maybe, and someone says it may cause an over pressure, is it worth shooting? what if that one guy is right and i take a chunk out of my gun and face? with something like this id just rather be safe.
 
I'd shoot it. I wouldn't count it in any group size or anything, even if it does fall into the group. Especially if you are at the lighter end of the load data.

A couple years back a thread was started by a guy here that had some factory ammo (30-30) that had the bullets shoved back into the case, and by much more than .040 After much discussion and opinion, he sent those rounds to me and I fired them through my contender over a chronograph. The was no discernible difference between properly seated, slightly pushed in and shoved way in. I'll look later for that thread and post it if I can find it.
 
joe-nwt said:
I'd shoot it. I wouldn't count it in any group size or anything, even if it does fall into the group. Especially if you are at the lighter end of the load data.

A couple years back a thread was started by a guy here that had some factory ammo (30-30) that had the bullets shoved back into the case, and by much more than .040 After much discussion and opinion, he sent those rounds to me and I fired them through my contender over a chronograph. The was no discernible difference between properly seated, slightly pushed in and shoved way in. I'll look later for that thread and post it if I can find it.
Click to expand...


see thats reassuring information right there, information that makes me feel like it should be safe.
i may just shoot it, ill bring it with me tomorrow, ive got a ton of ammo to burn through so ill save it till the end.
 
My Model 700 .280 Remington has never had a factory rounds through it.
When seating to the lands, the round comes out shorter than the SAAMI specks.
Have you tried seating your bullets to the lands and see what your OAL is?
 
horseman2 said:
My Model 700 .280 Remington has never had a factory rounds through it.
When seating to the lands, the round comes out shorter than the SAAMI specks.
Have you tried seating your bullets to the lands and see what your OAL is?
Click to expand...

no i havent. so far im just following the book and the advice the guys here have offered up, once i get a bit more comfortable with things ill start to experiment a little more, for now ill just see how my current loads do and when i find the best one i may play with depths a little to see how the accuracy is affected.

how much shorter is your OAL?
 
uchi said:
i actually take a lot of the advice from here and use it. but if 5 guys say to shoot it, 1 says maybe, and someone says it may cause an over pressure, is it worth shooting? what if that one guy is right and i take a chunk out of my gun and face? with something like this id just rather be safe.
Click to expand...

See what I mean? Why do you ask on here?
I think my first reply to you on here, dealt with a handloader having to use common sense.
If you have read anything about reloading you would have read that seating a bullet as far out as possible, like hitting the lands, MAY, slightly increase the pressure. With the bullet seated some distance back, pressure MAY be slightly reduced.
In neither case will there be anywhere near enough pressure change to cause a catastrophic event, like taking a chunk out of your gun and face.
That is not common sense talk.
Good by my friend, this will be my final piece of communiction with you.
 
No chance that 40 thou in that load will cause a problem! If you are concerned use two pairs of pliers and a gentle touch and pull the bullet out the 40 thou and fire it off.

Yeah I'll probably get flamed for telling you to do that but I've done it at least 100 times and never had a problem
 
Hay Oochi, read the book.
It should give you max o.a.l and min o.a.l. ( o=over, a=all, l=length )
Look at a feeler gauge.
Then decide.
It's not half an inch.
I used to hissy fit about this and found the bullets have a tendency to be
slightly different lengths.
No chit.
The bullet isn't seated by the tip, but by the ogive (sp?) or side of the bullet.
I used to line them up on the bench and have a side view of them and then decide
fate or foe.
It's good you're being cautious and later when you get all comfortable with it, you
will then see your sillyness.
So for now, do what you are comfortable with.
Cheers.
 
kamlooky said:
Hay Oochi, read the book.
It should give you max o.a.l and min o.a.l. ( o=over, a=all, l=length )
Look at a feeler gauge.
Then decide.
It's not half an inch.
I used to hissy fit about this and found the bullets have a tendency to be
slightly different lengths.
No chit.
The bullet isn't seated by the tip, but by the ogive (sp?) or side of the bullet.
I used to line them up on the bench and have a side view of them and then decide
fate or foe.
It's good you're being cautious and later when you get all comfortable with it, you
will then see your sillyness.
So for now, do what you are comfortable with.
Cheers.
Click to expand...

thanks, i just wasnt sure how far out i could be, i didnt notice a min length in the book but ill check again.

H4831 said:
See what I mean? Why do you ask on here?
I think my first reply to you on here, dealt with a handloader having to use common sense.
If you have read anything about reloading you would have read that seating a bullet as far out as possible, like hitting the lands, MAY, slightly increase the pressure. With the bullet seated some distance back, pressure MAY be slightly reduced.
In neither case will there be anywhere near enough pressure change to cause a catastrophic event, like taking a chunk out of your gun and face.
That is not common sense talk.
Good by my friend, this will be my final piece of communiction with you.
Click to expand...

whats up your ass? you clearly have an issue with me, so go ahead and lay it out. was it hard for you to post the useful info in your reply without being coming across like a ####? its only common sense if youve had some experience with it or if its something thats simple. were talking about over pressure due to seating, clearly something im not familiar with but im trying to learn. if i knew everything like you claim to know i wouldnt have to ask. you realize this is a message forum, and a reloading section, where people will come here, and yup, you guessed it, ask for help to reload. yes i have the book, yes ive read it, in fact its sitting beside me and i was reading it a short while back again trying to pick up on anything ive missed or wasnt sure on. its unfortunate that not everyone can be born with your high level of knowledge on everything, some of us need to learn from square one. feel free to disregard that message i sent you trying to explain my reasoning for asking and not taking all the advice im given. no point in trying to clear the air with someone like you. as for the quote you put up, if you in fact read the pm i sent you and understood it youd know that i said that this place has a lot of knowledge floating around but also a lot of people who arent sure or dont know or are answering based on what they think is right. thats why people ask for advice and help and generally should make their own decision based on the answers if they have concerns.

to everyone else, thanks for taking the time to reply and help
 
uchi,
I think the point H4831 is trying to make is, that there are many of us on this forum with decades of loading experience. Through the thousands and thoudands of rounds we have loaded and fired safely, we have all run into situations were we may have loaded a round or two .040" too deep. It is very easy to do when switching from one brand of bullet to another.

Now, if this round was being used in 1000 yard competition I would say pull it and re-seat it. For load testing at 100-200 you likely will not see any difference in group size. There will not be any noticeable difference in recoil and you will be able to walk away with your rifle and face intact.

You can choose to listen to the 10 guys that say "shoot it", or the one or two guys that say "your #### will fall off";)

I would not give you or anyone else advice that would cause a dangerous situation and I am pretty sure H4831 wouldn't either.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom