Ipsc classic - minor vs major

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I just got into the sport and only shoot production, but have been told its never worth shooting minor in a division that has major ( haven't really looked into it much, as I don't reload and shoot 9mm)

Does classic even the odds with the 2 extra rounds per mag, meaning less reloading in a match?

Just curious as I've been thinking about a 9mm Trojan for classic and was wondering if it would be worth trying to shoot minor or if I'm misunderstanding the differences/advantages of shooting 1 over another.
 
i picked minor for ammo related reasons (ie:im to lazy to reload another caliber)
but i think with all the matches in canada designed for 10 round mags it will make up for scoring minor. that seems to be how it goes in the states for SS

matches designed for SS are a different story though and there major seems to be the king
 
wingsuit said:
I just got into the sport and only shoot production, but have been told its never worth shooting minor in a division that has major ( haven't really looked into it much, as I don't reload and shoot 9mm)

Does classic even the odds with the 2 extra rounds per mag, meaning less reloading in a match?

Just curious as I've been thinking about a 9mm Trojan for classic and was wondering if it would be worth trying to shoot minor or if I'm misunderstanding the differences/advantages of shooting 1 over another.
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Of course it's worth it. The payout at the end of the match is the same for everyone - a pink Cadillac. ;)
 
pmt said:
Of course it's worth it. The payout at the end of the match is the same for everyone - a pink Cadillac. ;)
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haha I guess It would be better stated, if your interested in your best chance at being competitive, the recoil savings of minor wont overcome the point deficit and youd be better off shooting major.

classic's rules of 8 in the mag for major, and 10 for minor, combined with canada's 10 round only mag rules, just made me wonder if it finally made minor have a chance at actually being on par with major due to less mag changes over a course of fire.

A 4 mag stage (10 round mag) would have 1 extra mag change for a person shooting major. Dont know if the time offset for that extra change would offset the scoring difference?

In the end I'm likely to get a 9mm 1911 anyway as its cheaper to shoot. But I was just curious as its interesting to watch competitive shooters go through the process of making every move calculated to be the most efficient, and to listen and learn how experienced people approach a stage.
 
I would be awfully tempted to shoot minor in classic, the only reason I'm not is a
I already have a .45. Between the ammo cost and the mag capacity advantage with our CoF I think there is a definite advantage shooting minor.
 
the advantage of those 2 rounds depends on stage design. A 40cal will let you jump between the two. In the US you can get alot more rounds in a minor limited gun but every one still shoots major
 
I think the scoring of C and D hits are each worth 1 pt more in Major as compared to Minor.

I'm in the exact same boat as you. I have a Trojan in 45 that I love and plan to shoot it in major. I'm also toying with idea of selling my prod div to add a second Trojan, in 9mm so that I can shoot CD in minor with 10rd mags. Not to mention that the same belt/magpouch/holster would work for both!

Decisions, decisions. If only won the lottery and then I wouldn't face these dilemmas!
 
I currently shoot cls and am shooting a very hot .45 in major... I love the recoil and the challenge... having said that, Im not very competitive either

I find that in most stages 8 rounds really isnt as handicapping as it seems, im often able to reload while on the move, and for those stages where a standing reload is required, the second I lose to a reload can be made up in taking my time to get more A's :)
 
If you want to be competitive you have to shoot A`s
Faster than the next guy preferably...
The largest COF is 32 rounds.
Major (8 rounds) requires minimum 3 reloads.
Minor (10 rounds) requires minimum 3 reloads.
Minor will allow you to make up a few more shots and more importantly allow you to take advantage of where you can best do those reloads.
But I still love the 45:D
 
If we saw more matches where the stage designs don't just put 8 rounds at every location we would probably see the capacity difference negated. But more rounds is always better.
 
I came very close to getting a .40 but went with 9mm for the two extra rounds, lower ammo costs, lower recoil, no flipping between major/minor depending on stage design prior to the match. I can foul myself up easy enough without having to remember if I was shooting major/minor, 8/10 rounds during a match.
 
8 rnd or 10 rnds is still 4 mags per stage, but stage design will dictate where's best position for mag change, which can make 10 rnd mags a 5 mag stage and a SS a 5 mag stage, or 6 for that matter, also depending on if there's some tight shots or plates, where you suspect an extra rnd or two for back up will come in handy and not screw up your mag change plan, or not... again stage design makes big difference on what you'll plan to do...and what really will happens, maybe another...
Yes, extra rnds with less recoil can be handy...

buuut, on the other hand, most of us (not Mike B, or like him) will drop lots of points in a match, and and those points (mostly level 2's and even more so in a level 3 match) will hurt us more than the extra few seconds saved, on only those few stages where the extra rnds came in handy.
don't forget, some stages will work just fine with 8 rnds, not every stage in match would have been a negative for 8 rnd'rs.
e.g. 2 provincials, I had misfortune of my ammo juuuuuuuust barely making major (not really low to give me any real advantage, maybe better if it was, who knows) and my points lost due to being scored minor, was at one, over 100 pts, and at another approx. 70+ points (guess i shot better at this one), my point is that those points put me at 32place and another, 25 th... both of those could have been around 12- 16 overal in std div.
oh well, say la vie... sh!t happens..
I don't think if went in with 9mm, the extra few seconds saved on only half the stages, would of made such a difference in overall results... as losing these # of points... again relative... but an example, none the less.

Yes, I'm not the best ipsc shooter out there, but overall, I do o.k. and have lots of fun...

so, would have I shot more accurate if i was shooting much softer 9mm out of a colt 1911 ?
Dont know, but in the heat of the game when the Beep goes off, we all probably push harder and faster than we should and drop more points then we should...
Are you going to really practise seriously and be a great shot ? if so, get 9mm 1911.

or are you going to casually practise and shoot some matches and have fun, but hope to somehow still be competative (like me, still dreaming), then shoot major...the extra points may come in handy...

I believe the average ipsc shooter will not shoot any faster or more accurate cause of the 9mm factor... not if they're familiar with their gun enough to handle the recoil & shoot it well and smooth

I probably didn't make any sense, but if anyone thinks I did, you're as wacked as me..lol

I remember back in the day when I shot .45 with semi-wads, those crisp round holes would catch the edge of plates or the tears off the D score to save my ass :D .... bigger is better...

Closing notes, there's pros and cons on both arguements...if you have a 9mm in 1911, then stick with it and save on ammo too...
if you have a .45, use that...buy as much in bulk to keep cost down,
if buying new, I say go with .40 ... shoot in classic and std... if so choose to.
 
Well the Western States is a SS match so it is geared more towards 8 round guns so I'd say 3rd is a pretty solid finish, but I was mainly responding to Madness who said everyone shoots major, not everyone does...
 
One thing to consider, with all other things being equal in standard and open division, how many ppl shoot minor to have better control of their firearm or get better hits? I can only think of one person in Ontario that is a M class shooter the past few years and he eventually went to major too. In all the other divisions where shooters have a choice of shooting either minor or major most choose major.
 
SVISTI1911 said:
One thing to consider, with all other things being equal in standard and open division, how many ppl shoot minor to have better control of their firearm or get better hits? I can only think of one person in Ontario that is a M class shooter the past few years and he eventually went to major too. In all the other divisions where shooters have a choice of shooting either minor or major most choose major.
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Which other division limits you to 8 rounds if you pick major over minor?

If the choice is 8 major or 10 minor, I think I'd go with 10.

If the choice is 10 or 10, I'd pick major.

In Alberta we have had the semi-unofficial "single stack standard division within a division" for a couple of years. Guys who shoot .45 ACP always seemed to have a standing reload or multiple slide-lock reloads in a COF.

As our stages seem to be optimized for a 10 rounders, I'm thinking minor is better.
 
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Which other division limits you to 8 rounds if you pick major over minor?
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None, just pondering the idea of whether shooting minor for added control is better then shooting major for extra points. More rounds is always better but do the extra 2 rounds outweigh the advantage of extra points? I think this will depend more on the shooter's ability then the stage design as course design wants no more then 9 rounds visible from any one position.
 
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