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lejarretnoir said:
OK, so Krieger doesn't require payment up front either. Interesting.
I can understand a dealer asking for payment once barrel is ready to ship. Don't see a problem there.
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Gets even more interesting when the guy who orders it for someone is then on the hook for it because when the guy who originally wanted it has either changed his mind or found something else.

So who should be on the hook for pre-orders that are then cancelled?
Some vendours still take the risk on our behalfs, but but how many cancellations should they be faced with once the goods are delivered before it becomes acceptable to ask for payment up front?
 
Not every business is a success no matter how well or poorly it is run.

I don't believe Ian set out to screw anyone intentionally, it is unfortunate that it ended this way.

#### happens, get over it.

I saw the list of barrels that Ian was "stuck" with because people asked him to bring them in and then did not hold up their end of the bargain when it arrived. I would not have wanted, or been able, to foot those bills. This was the reason he went to a "pay upfront" system in the first place.

I am not condoning what happened in any way, shape or form, but without first hand knowledge of WHY it turned out this way everything else is just conjecture.
 
guntech said:
This has become an absolute stupid thread!
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Tack-243 said:
2X:agree:
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Absolutely agree :agree: x3.

The threats and accusations are ..well nobody cares what I think.
Have the guys who lost money or claimed to gone after the company in small claims court?
As for the threats, well those are in poor taste, especially when they have lost nothing or know very little about how companies are run.
Then again I am a Proud Union Thug who can at least read his contract:)>
Rob
 
CyaN1de said:
Not every business is a success no matter how well or poorly it is run.

I don't believe Ian set out to screw anyone intentionally, it is unfortunate that it ended this way.

s**t happens, get over it.

I saw the list of barrels that Ian was "stuck" with because people asked him to bring them in and then did not hold up their end of the bargain when it arrived. I would not have wanted, or been able, to foot those bills. This was the reason he went to a "pay upfront" system in the first place.

I am not condoning what happened in any way, shape or form, but without first hand knowledge of WHY it turned out this way everything else is just conjecture.
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I remember trying to buy some of those barrels he was stuck with. He must not have minded being stuck with them too much, as I could never seem to get replies from him on anything......the guy was sketchy at business to say the least.



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Wow. I understand that some people lost out on hard earned cash, and that this is all a sorry mess. I did in the past, and others I am good friends with also did deal with Ian. He shipped what he was paid to, and it all went smooth.
If you got screwed, you have a good reason to ask questions, dig and try to recover your costs. I would. The rest of the conjecture monkeys with their "when I was at band camp stories" should stop piling #### on the #### pile unless they plan on grabbing a shovel to help fix it.
The guy ain't all that hard to find, so stop wasting your time and confront him. If the crown isn't pressing charges, sounds like the RCMP are passing the buck and there actually isn't much of a case. Let the dead dog lay and stop kicking the #### out of it with your wagging tongues.
 
Move on? There are still people out over 500.00 each and due to crown not finding "crimminal intent" , I an gets away with theft?
I dunno if that's cool.
I'm involved in this, have had in depth discussions with the rcmp on behalf of some of my clients and Ian, in his email today, denies all allegations , says there is no charges against him and never were and denies even knowing or dealing with clients HE mentions by name in emails I have saved and notorized as evidence in case I see Ian in court.

I have posted all I'm going to post on this. Here and in the dealer forum thread.
Ian's current email address, which he gave me permission to pass on to anyone with an "issue" is obtunded@xplornet.com

I would ask that ALL people who paid for and have not received barrels from Ian, please contact me or have your legal counsel contact me. Full contact info is in my dealer forum.

It truly is a sad day in gunnut land :(
 
Move on is good advice. If the police do not see fit to lay charges of criminal intent, it is because they do not feel there is sufficient evidence of criminal intent to obtain a conviction of theft.

It seems to me a civil suit where you sue in small claims court should be your avenue to pursue.
 
GOOD NEWS
It appears my presuring Ian the last few days has paid off for at least one of my clients.
Ian forwarded him a refund, after denying to me he even knew the guy.
He apparently has lots of m14 barrels to sell at cost (375.00) LOL

For my part, I'll settle my account with ian and wash my hands of this clusterphuck

I do hope refunds are forthcoming for the other parties as well.
 
M14Doctor's two posts are finally something useful on this subject. now hopefully everyone can follow his lead and we can be rid of him (Ian that is).
 
guntech said:
Hopefully it can all move on... it's had it's run in this forum.
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True
BUT without keeping this public so that those who put Ian on a pedestal here and give him the benefit of the doubt, can finally see the truth.

And if my posts here and holding off on paying for 3 barrels until he addresses funds owing to clients I sent him.... Finally gets him paying back folks he took money from a looonnngggg time ago.... The I feel I've served a little justice and I'm happy about that. My efforts got one CGN'er his refund and HE is extremely happy.
When I refer a client for a high end barrel purchase, my reputation is on the line, especially when that client gets ripped off.
I'll fight like a bull with his nuts in a clamp for my clients in this type of situation. At least with this one client, my reputation is restored. If I have to use CGN to keep this in Ian's face, then so be it.

Just so you know, according to the RCMP, they recommended and files the paperwork for charges, it was Crown that decided to defer it to a civil matter.
 
M14Doctor said:
...according to the RCMP, they recommended and files the paperwork for charges, it was Crown that decided to defer it to a civil matter.
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Of course the Crown made that decision... it has always been an issue of poor management over deliberate fraud or theft... regardless of what you or others think.

I have no personal or financial interest in this. I had no problems and my customers never had any problems.

If I did have a problem I would be pursuing it civilly rather than #####ing about it on the forums.
 
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