I have a deeply rooted hatred for synthetic, I do not know why. I would be interested In a gun like the one Manbearpig has described but in wood. I can live with the extra two pounds the wood adds to the gun. I think a replica of the Savage 24c would be a good option as well. Just my 2 C
Request: lightweight 'survival rifle'.
- Thread starter manbearpig
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Coho
CGN Regular
- Location
- Calgary, AB
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Coho
CGN Regular
- Location
- Calgary, AB
Rogue Rifle Chipmunk
Specifications and features:
Rogue Rifle Company Chipmunk Youth rifle
.22 Long Rifle caliber
Single-shot, bolt-action
16" barrel
1:16" twist
Automatic rebounding firing pin block safety
Front ramp post sight
Windage & elevation adjustable rear peep sight
3-1/2 lbs. trigger pull
American walnut stock
Blued steel finish
30" overall length
2-1/2 lbs.
Specifications and features:
Rogue Rifle Company Chipmunk Youth rifle
.22 Long Rifle caliber
Single-shot, bolt-action
16" barrel
1:16" twist
Automatic rebounding firing pin block safety
Front ramp post sight
Windage & elevation adjustable rear peep sight
3-1/2 lbs. trigger pull
American walnut stock
Blued steel finish
30" overall length
2-1/2 lbs.
Coho
CGN Regular
- Location
- Calgary, AB
Survival means using what you have to keep yourself alive.
ANY gun is a Survival rifle.
ANY gun is a Survival rifle.
bobdbldr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
Currently the M6 Scout is the only factory rifle that fits this niche, and they are rare/expensive as hell, and do have some inherent issues. Several rifles/shotguns targeted towards the 'survival' crowd are available on the market but, IMHO, many have major drawbacks such as a proliferation of plastic parts, flimsy sights, poor actions, etc.
IMHO for a 'survival' gun the hinge-action is ideal. it is rugged, totally reliable, inherently a takedown action, and is extremely compact: a 14" barreled hinge action would be shorter/lighter than a 10" barreled 10/22.
a sight combo similar to the XS sights rail/ghost ring combo is not offered on any .22LRs, and would be ideal for a gun like this. those who prefer can mount a compact scope or a reflex sight, and due to the hinge-action design the sights/optics would retain zero even after takedown/reassembly, and not suffer from any receiver:barrel play issues like those plaguing shotguns, 10/22s, etc.
the barrel length/stock LOP could be tailored to come in at just over the min. OAL for non-restricted. it would result in a bombproof, compact and accurate 'survival' rifle platform, and also be ideal as a plinker and youth rifle.
i made the concept using a .22 from the Rossi Trifecta package, with a shortened stock LOP and barrel. the sights are XS sights ghost rings. both of these items are easily acquirable if a 'reference' is needed for the design.
just putting this out there as this is my idea of the perfect backpacking/survival rifle, and you can put me down to preorder two of them if you can build them under $400, and im sure they would be very popular with the backpacking crowd. down the road, a short 20ga barrel could also be offered to round out the kit. .22 Hornet could also be a possibility, as could pistol calibers such as .44 mag.
I am in for 3, if you can keep it below $250. and as mbp said ,future barrels in 44mag.and shotgun guages!
P90Puma
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Hamilton Ontario
Marlin 70PSS papoose?
TheUnprofesional
Member
- Location
- West Coast
having read the previous thread were people asked canam to bring back the m6 scout. It just seems canadian market is too small to be make a special gun just for us. least thats what i took from the thread.
bobdbldr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
Something along the lines of an H&R handiifle only shorter!
They have them in 45-70 even!!
They have them in 45-70 even!!
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pubb
CGN frequent flyer
A previous post mentioned 18" barrels.
If you go with rimfire OR anything other than semiauto, there's no restriction against a short barrel length. Theoretically, you could have a 3.5" barrel mounted to a receiver with a buttstock. As long as it wasn't adapted from a handgun, rifle or shotgun, and its overall size is 26", it would be nonrestricted.
Personally, I'd rather design a survival buttstock to fit a particular short barreled rifle. Design the buttstock so it folds and prevents the rifle from firing (even by covering the trigger guard). Way less machining/tooling, and paperwork from Ottawa.
P
If you go with rimfire OR anything other than semiauto, there's no restriction against a short barrel length. Theoretically, you could have a 3.5" barrel mounted to a receiver with a buttstock. As long as it wasn't adapted from a handgun, rifle or shotgun, and its overall size is 26", it would be nonrestricted.
Personally, I'd rather design a survival buttstock to fit a particular short barreled rifle. Design the buttstock so it folds and prevents the rifle from firing (even by covering the trigger guard). Way less machining/tooling, and paperwork from Ottawa.
P
A break barrel .22lr over .410 sounds like what you are after.
If it's just .22 and you don't mind single shot the henry mini bolt or the chipmunk above will save you a pound(mini) or 2 (if that chipmunk weight is correct)
The Chinese backpacker shotgun is typicaly over built and quite heavy for a small short single shot break action shotgun.....an 18 inch cooey is lighter if weight is a factor.
What the backpacker needs is a serious diet on the receiver and a lighter plastic hollow (with storage) stock. Add some rifle sights and an insert barrel and conversion chamber for .22lr and you might have something but it's probably a small market.
If it's just .22 and you don't mind single shot the henry mini bolt or the chipmunk above will save you a pound(mini) or 2 (if that chipmunk weight is correct)
The Chinese backpacker shotgun is typicaly over built and quite heavy for a small short single shot break action shotgun.....an 18 inch cooey is lighter if weight is a factor.
What the backpacker needs is a serious diet on the receiver and a lighter plastic hollow (with storage) stock. Add some rifle sights and an insert barrel and conversion chamber for .22lr and you might have something but it's probably a small market.
Buzzballer
CGN Regular
- Location
- Southern Ontario
Hypothetically, could one take a bolt action .22 LR with a 5 shot magazine, and cut the barrel down to 12".Have it fitted with a ghost ring style sight and folding stock? Would shortening the barrel below 18" be illegal?
I like your idea here.
If the stock prevented the gun from being able to fire when it was folded, the gun COULD be less than 26"
An underfolding stock for something like the Stevens 300F or Norinco equivalent would work if it covered the trgger guard.
If it covered the muzzle too, that would help keep the thing clean.
A bit of storage space in the fore-end would be cool too, or you could just no have a forestock at all for weight savings...
A piece of aluminum C-Channel, with a couple of bedding blocks welded in for the two mounting bolts would be a good start. Then you could attach a stock to that.... Hmm...
You'd need a bit of meat at the back to attach the stock mechanism. An AR pistol grip would be an easy addition, but I don't like the way pistol grips get in the way of putting the gun into and out of a pack.
It would be better if, when folded, the stock was a smooth, streamlined thing.
OK. Time to draw...
- Location
- Salmon Arm, BC
A really low cost, alternative suggestion....
... Not glamorous by any means, but a well placed.22 will take down most animals, in a pinch. Survival=Desperation, then the Rules of Sportsmanship don't apply( think small game, and stalking ). With that in mind, a single shot .22, Cooey, or what ever. Slim the stock down, shorten it if practical. Shorten the Barrel to the minimum, and weld on a new foresight. The bolt that holds the action into the stock can have a set of small wings welded on. And now, it can easily be taken down into two parts, without tools ! Add a set of sling swivels, and you're good to go....... Low cost, and dead reliable. .... David K
... Not glamorous by any means, but a well placed.22 will take down most animals, in a pinch. Survival=Desperation, then the Rules of Sportsmanship don't apply( think small game, and stalking ). With that in mind, a single shot .22, Cooey, or what ever. Slim the stock down, shorten it if practical. Shorten the Barrel to the minimum, and weld on a new foresight. The bolt that holds the action into the stock can have a set of small wings welded on. And now, it can easily be taken down into two parts, without tools ! Add a set of sling swivels, and you're good to go....... Low cost, and dead reliable. .... David K
Why go through all that trouble to mess with the trigger guard when a break action already does everything we need? Plus it would be more reliable than a bolt-action. Not to mentioned the potential for a 22LR/.410 combination barrel.
