Koenig Tiger
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Don't laugh guys, there's actually an army looking to adopt the XCR as their next platform.
Canadian Infantry firefight video showing many malfunctions of the C7
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An answer for Rob...
Rob,
The round bits are actually on the tri-rail system we call the triad, a few inches back of the muzzle. Looks to be a tac-flashlight - the issued ones are a Surefire if I remember right - on the left and an Insight AN/PAQ-4c IR aiming laser - the CF calls them the SLAD for Soldier's Light Aiming Device - on the right.
As far as the video goes, I'm just a tech, so the Army seems to think I don't even need to shoot a C-7 once a year, but the only stoppages I've ever had have been with blank rounds.
Rob,
The round bits are actually on the tri-rail system we call the triad, a few inches back of the muzzle. Looks to be a tac-flashlight - the issued ones are a Surefire if I remember right - on the left and an Insight AN/PAQ-4c IR aiming laser - the CF calls them the SLAD for Soldier's Light Aiming Device - on the right.
As far as the video goes, I'm just a tech, so the Army seems to think I don't even need to shoot a C-7 once a year, but the only stoppages I've ever had have been with blank rounds.
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Gunnerlove
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The reason you empty your mags has nothing to do with the health of the spring.
You empty and pull them apart to clean and inspect the mag inside and out.
Then you clean and inspect the ammo.
Then you put the two back together.
You empty and pull them apart to clean and inspect the mag inside and out.
Then you clean and inspect the ammo.
Then you put the two back together.
Technology Direct
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I see some people have not been exposed to Dirt McGirt yet
LOL. It seems those under 500 posts just haven't read enough of his special brand of commentary.
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Brilliant. You got me 100%.
My girlfriend is laughing her ass off at me right now. I was about to go into a diatribe about how an XCR as a military rifle would be a terrible idea.
She witnessed first hand how bad the XCR was.
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Wait...is this guy for real? I thought he was some sort of April Fools joke. The C7 is not the best army rifle - if it was the US Army wouldn't be trying to look for alternatives with the SCAR and HK416.
Koenig Tiger
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Mag
It's been beaten to death but I feel the need to throw my 2 cents in here as well. The problem with the rifle was actually a problem with the mag, and more than likely the feed lips were bent.
The rifle appears to fire fine early in the video, and the trouble starts immediately after the mag change. Also to note is that after a number of rounds have been fired from the bad mag it functions a bit better. My theory is that the extra spring tension of the full mag is feeding the rounds up in a rear-low manner, with the bullet tipped up, so the bolt is skipping over the base of the round and going into battery on an empty chamber, and the shooter gets a "bang, click" effect. You can also see several times the cocking handle doesn't move fully forward, this could be because a upward tipped round is stopping the forward movement of the bolt, again causing a stoppage.
The quality of CF issued mags is not bad. Of the 10 mags I was issued 6 years ago 5 are still going strong, and the other 5 ended up with broken feed lips from rough handling, dropping on concrete, etc. %50 failure over 6 years may sound bad, but these mags have seen thousands of rounds, and more than their fair share of sand & dirt. They've been smashed around, and used as a mono-pod/rifle rest on many an occasion.
I will say this; the standard mag followers are garbage, and the cause of many stoppages. I replaced all of mine with Magpul anti-tilt followers and load my mags with 28 rounds, and I am happy with their performance.
Why anyone would think it's a good idea to stretch mag springs is beyond me. Those mag springs will take a ridiciculous amount of work. In fact I've replaced 3 pistol recoil springs over the time that those mags have lasted me.
If your mag won't feed rounds it's because it's filthy, not because it's spring is worn.
The soldier in the video definitely displays some poor drills, the standard for a failure to fire is tap the mag to ensure it's seated, rack the action to reload, and fire, or "tap, rack, & go." It's possible that he is familiar with the stoppages that this mag creates and has developed training scars, or it could just be that under stress he's slacking on his drills.
I'd also like to point out that it's really hard to judge distance in helmet-cam videos. While the objective appeared distant, it was more than likely around 200 metres away. To get some scale, consider how far away the rest of the section appears when he does his shoulder checks. Even across the sand flats the TB don't engage from very far away, and if they were able to see a TB's head popping up, he was close enough.
Here's a good one for all y'all, why I dislike the stock followers;
It's been beaten to death but I feel the need to throw my 2 cents in here as well. The problem with the rifle was actually a problem with the mag, and more than likely the feed lips were bent.
The rifle appears to fire fine early in the video, and the trouble starts immediately after the mag change. Also to note is that after a number of rounds have been fired from the bad mag it functions a bit better. My theory is that the extra spring tension of the full mag is feeding the rounds up in a rear-low manner, with the bullet tipped up, so the bolt is skipping over the base of the round and going into battery on an empty chamber, and the shooter gets a "bang, click" effect. You can also see several times the cocking handle doesn't move fully forward, this could be because a upward tipped round is stopping the forward movement of the bolt, again causing a stoppage.
The quality of CF issued mags is not bad. Of the 10 mags I was issued 6 years ago 5 are still going strong, and the other 5 ended up with broken feed lips from rough handling, dropping on concrete, etc. %50 failure over 6 years may sound bad, but these mags have seen thousands of rounds, and more than their fair share of sand & dirt. They've been smashed around, and used as a mono-pod/rifle rest on many an occasion.
I will say this; the standard mag followers are garbage, and the cause of many stoppages. I replaced all of mine with Magpul anti-tilt followers and load my mags with 28 rounds, and I am happy with their performance.
Why anyone would think it's a good idea to stretch mag springs is beyond me. Those mag springs will take a ridiciculous amount of work. In fact I've replaced 3 pistol recoil springs over the time that those mags have lasted me.
If your mag won't feed rounds it's because it's filthy, not because it's spring is worn.
The soldier in the video definitely displays some poor drills, the standard for a failure to fire is tap the mag to ensure it's seated, rack the action to reload, and fire, or "tap, rack, & go." It's possible that he is familiar with the stoppages that this mag creates and has developed training scars, or it could just be that under stress he's slacking on his drills.
I'd also like to point out that it's really hard to judge distance in helmet-cam videos. While the objective appeared distant, it was more than likely around 200 metres away. To get some scale, consider how far away the rest of the section appears when he does his shoulder checks. Even across the sand flats the TB don't engage from very far away, and if they were able to see a TB's head popping up, he was close enough.
Here's a good one for all y'all, why I dislike the stock followers;
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Watch that video and think what a piss poor way to deal with one rag head in a fox hole. No wonder we've lost. Little 2" or 60 mm mortar like was issued in earlier wars, could either drop a round in the hole with him, or make him so uncomfortable, he'd run for it. Wonder how many indirect fire, infantry weapons of this type you could buy for the cost of ONE F 35?
Grizz
No wonder we've lost. Little 2" or 60 mm mortar like was issued in earlier wars, could either drop a round in the hole with him, or make him so uncomfortable, he'd run for it. Wonder how many indirect fire, infantry weapons of this type you could buy for the cost of ONE F 35?Grizz
DaveMachine
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Watch that video and think what a piss poor way to deal with one rag head in a fox hole.
Grizz
Well then, this should make you happy.
http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2009/03/04/the-end-is-near-for-the-canadian-forces-60mm-mortar/
Look on the bright side: a whole team of officers has probably been studying this matter for the last decade. Now, they can start studying it from the other angle, and in ten years we can follow the Brits and others and buy some new 60mm mortars...but don't all the mortars belong to the artillery now?
I wonder if the Russians got rid of their mortars when they got their automatic grenade launchers? Hmm.
But this does make the organizational chart tidier doesn't it? No one but the artillery will have big tubes.
Indeed. The Arty has kept their 81mm mortars. The CASW project is fielding now, and what has become the C-16 CASW is based on the H&K Grenade Machine Gun. It's a very interesting weapon with some cool capabilities (programmable airburst as mentionned in the article, and there are others which I won't discuss because I'm not sure if they're public knowledge), but IMO, you're right. It will not replace the 60mm, at least not effectively in all roles. The CASW will be "man-portable" but requires a 3-man team rather than (as I recall) 2 for the 60mm. It's heavy, and in the case of a problem with the fire control system basically becomes a high rate of fire M-203. It's more suited to vehicle mounting or static defensive positions than for dismounted troops on the move. And it can't effectively be employed at the section level, whereas the 60mm, if required, could. The CASW will likely be strictly a platoon or even company-level asset. What the future will hold, we'll see, but I know that the majority of combat troops I know will miss the 60mm.
DaveMachine
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From what I understand the arty got the 81mm but the infantry retained the 60s?
Up until the past year or so, yes. But, as per the Ottawa Citizen blog you pointed out, that's no longer the case. I'm not sure if the 60s are still in the system as of today, but I sure haven't seen one in a while. AFAIK, as the CASW completes fielding, which is either ongoing or completed by now, the 60s will be going away, at least in the Reg Force.
Gunnerlove
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Watch that video and think what a piss poor way to deal with one rag head in a fox hole.
Grizz
Shooting an enemy with a $.24 bullet is the cheapest way of removing him from the game.
