NEA-15 after 400 Rounds Fired **Pic Heavy**

I just checked my Stag bolt. Yes it seems to have YFS bolts on the gas key. If Stag is using these bolts then I can safely say they aren't an issue. Also the staking on the Stag consists of a straight indent line cutting across the side and into the bolt. Different than the normal staking found on my Armalite and LMT. But it is done on both sides of the bolt. The LMT and Armalite staking looks like the pictures of the Colt previously shown. Also on both sides of the bolt.

Let's also keep this in perspective. New company for AR rifles, a new price point with the options provided, and adjustments are still being made. We're comparing them to Colt, Stag, LMT, DD etc. They aren't there yet. Neither is their pricing. When they are at that level do you think you will be buying their rifles for $1000? I doubt it. Careful what you wish for.
 
Taiwan has some of the best manufacturing facilities in the world. They are the worlds leader in aluminum technology (welding, hydroforming, etc.). To say something from Taiwan is of low quality shows a complete ignorance of aerospace technology. I would trust a Taiwanese manufacturer over a Canadian manufacturer any day. I've worked in aircraft maintenance, modification and most recently manufacturing, speaking from years of experience.
 
I too hope that NEA sticks around and starts to post more often. The last bit of not so niceties really changed their web presence and as much as I enjoy ragging on them, when they give me reason to, I would miss them even more if they were not here.
 
With 'fans' like this and others who spend all night on alibaba begging to dig up some non-existent crap on us, no wonder why we've decided to cut our time down with the public. Pretty sure that no one we've ever dealt with can be found on some Chinese ebay site. You'd think people had better things to do than spin out in an all out paranoia fueled fantasy revenge plot. I guess not. The time to profit ratio dealing with trolls is too far to the wrong side. Our focus is now on providing product to our distributors and overseas clients.
 
2bad4u2 said:
I was mildly entertained by your research until I read your last comment. Nothing like sensationalizing your argument, huh?

Unless you've got some way of doing hardness testing to back up your assertions of "soft Taiwan metal" being used in NEA's components, then perhaps you shouldn't have made that comment. It's outright libelous if you don't have the nuts to back up your claim.

Oh, and another thing. I could care less about someone's chosen profession as to wether they get "hurt" or not. And no, it makes no difference.
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+1. Sensationalizing is exactly what is being done here. Soldiers volunteer to go into harms way. It's part of our job, and an accepted risk that we may become injured or killed in the line of duty.

I've been super entertained by the conspiracy trolling that's been going on though ;) I hope NEA continues to stick around and produce firearms.
 
North Eastern Arms said:
You are so far off base, not only are you completely incorrect again, quite frankly were tired of this personal which hunt you seem to be on.

Our products are not from who you suggest. And to be completely honest we owe nothing to you to divulge where our components come from. We are a manufacturer; we build and source. Those sources are internal matters, and like every other manufacturer on the planet in every sector we're not going to release those details. What we will ask is that you drop the crusade and trying to pass speculation and lies as fact. It's apparent that at some time we pissed in your corn flakes. I suggest switching to Shreddies, they may be more palatable.


For the record that carrier came from a gun that was shipped from us to a dealer with no BCG. 3rd party carriers were sourced to install to meet customer demand. These carriers came from a well known US manufacturer, since they were bing sold domestically and not reexported we allowed it. Who they get their "screws" from... We didnt ask, nor would I expect them to tell us.


Do you know why our rifles arent sold in the US? Do you know of any Non-US ARs sold there? Do you know why? No. Drop the assumptions and move on.

It is people like this, and situations like this that have led to our decision to change the way in which we operate with the public, and the direction we are now taking.
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I know you can't see me, but take my word... I'm applauding!
 
easy said:
I've suspected that NEA parts were Chinese made. I was close.



Recently, I've discovered that several components used in NEA ARs are made in Taiwan.

The above photo clearly shows the markings on the gas key bolts. "YFS". Fang Sheng Screw Co., Ltd (YFS). A Taiwanese manufacturer. The two dots on the side of the carrier tell me these are the carriers NEA has been supplying.

"YFS" bolts don't allow for adequate torquing because Taiwanese metal is soft. Taiwan even makes cheap airsoft parts.


If they don't contain any US made components, who makes the components they do not manufacture in-house? Like the bolt carrier group and the LPK.

I'm suspect of other components as well. Like the buttstock, charging handle and flash hiders.

Here's a Taiwanese company that sells lower parts kits, including full auto trigger groups. Eagle Circle International Co., Ltd. -- http://www.alibaba.com/member/tw900241465.html -- Is this where the LPK come from?

Why doesn't NEA have ANY presence on ARFcom? Why doesn't NEA ship anything to the States?

Just some of the questions I'd like to see answered publicly and truthfully by Jeff in particular.

If NEA is supplying off-shore, substandard components passing them off as Made in Canada, somebody is going to get hurt. It may even be one of our military, if that makes a difference mentioning.
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WoW Easy?... Name 1 modern fing thing that you own that dose'nt have at least 1 part made in taiwan i dare you. People like you piss me off, if i was an admin on this server id ban you for talking s**t.
 
North Eastern Arms said:
With 'fans' like this and others who spend all night on alibaba begging to dig up some non-existent crap on us, no wonder why we've decided to cut our time down with the public. Pretty sure that no one we've ever dealt with can be found on some Chinese ebay site. You'd think people had better things to do than spin out in an all out paranoia fueled fantasy revenge plot. I guess not. The time to profit ratio dealing with trolls is too far to the wrong side. Our focus is now on providing product to our distributors and overseas clients.
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Don't worry about it. keep building the better mouse trap. Price to features will keep people interested. Eventually you'll have a product that even the harshest critics will want to buy. Those comparing the rifle to Colt etc aren't your customer anyways. At least not right now.
 
Hating?? No, I don't hate anyone.

I see many of you think ill of me at this point. That's OK, you don't know me personally, nor do you know the whole NEA story to judge.

The many that do know me through training, matches and indirectly through many deals over the years know that I'm easy going, honest, get along kind of man.

Aside from NEA, several other members complained to the mods here about my recent posts. Because I was asked to tone down in a respectful way and by a moderator I've known for several years, I will oblige.

I make NO apologies to NEA, but I do wish to excuse myself to the rest of the membership for getting your shorts all tied up.
 
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easy said:
...There's a lot more slime going on here than I can say. Not just parts made in Taiwan. There are more people out there with a worse taste in their mouth than I, but they have far more to lose voicing their experience, so they are silent....
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Thanks for toning it down. I like the addition of the whole conspiracy theory angle ;) (Just busting your balls a bit :p. )

At the end of the day, the rifles will speak for themselves. Maybe in a few years the NEA-15 will be nothing but a footnote or maybe they will be the toast of the town. All of the "hating" and "fanboying" in the world won't change things one way or another in the long run. The rifles themselves will stand up to scrutiny or they won't and considering it has only been 6 months, I don't think anyone is qualified to pass final judgment at this point.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Don't worry about it. keep building the better mouse trap. Price to features will keep people interested. Eventually you'll have a product that even the harshest critics will want to buy. Those comparing the rifle to Colt etc aren't your customer anyways. At least not right now.
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That's what I want to see ultimately. Cdn AR rifles, the best on the planet!
Keep on keeping on.

The Chinese Norcs despite being far away are sitting up and taking notice to even a small community as Canada and improving the breed. Just fired mine the other day, it's reliable and accurate. I tried mix and match ammo, hollow points, FMJ and SP and it all chambered, fired and ejected. Most groups were the size of a quarter at 50yds with an Aimpoint bench rested.
 
I've personally seen a Norc shoot 1moa at 100 meters. It had an aftermarket free float handguard and was shooting good ammo. Not the regular fodder. But it was also shot off a bench using a verticle grip bipod with cheap 3 moa red dot. Yes with some work, the right ammo and a good shooter they can be pretty accurate. The barrels are also hammer forged. It's a great entry level AR.

The NEA offers a lot more quality for only a bit more. Theoretically with the free float rail and their barrel specs it should be more accurate. But Ive never seen one shoot and reviews so far equate to fit/finish and it makes noise when you sqeeze the trigger, or it doesn't.

New product, small company starting in ARs. Lots of drama. But ultimately no matter how slimey You think they are or your views on their promotion techniques if the rifle is well made and accurate then it will sell. The trick for them is to get their rifles at that point and improve any negatives while keeping their price competitive. While not having economy of scale in their favour, they do have the ability to provide products that are extremely difficult to get from the states due to export rules.

I'm looking forward to their PDW stock and a more polished product in the future. Also if they could hide the side clamps like Samson does or put them underneath I think they end product would go up another level.
 
easy said:
Hating?? No, I don't hate anyone.

I see many of you think ill of me at this point. That's OK, you don't know me personally, nor do you know the whole NEA story to judge.

The many that do know me through training, matches and indirectly through many deals over the years know that I'm easy going, honest, get along kind of man.

Aside from NEA, several other members complained to the mods here about my recent posts. Because I was asked to tone down in a respectful way and by a moderator I've known for several years, I will oblige.

I make NO apologies to NEA, but I do wish to excuse myself to the rest of the membership for getting your shorts all tied up.
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Thank you. We have perhaps 5% of the AR market, actually it's probably more like 1% or less, of the US and yet have a home grown manufacturer turning out modern AR styles and designs are bargain prices, the fact this is happening is incredible. It's against all odds even and helps our firearms cause in Canada a thousand times more than anything you can do politically. And some seem intent on pissing on them because they're not Colt yet or they have demonstrated very questionable PR practices.

I haven't seen Colt offering PDW designs to the public, nor have I seen Colt prices on NEA's. Your information is also sadly, and embarrassingly, uninformed as the same "soft Taiwanese metal" screws are present in some American made ARs as Epoxy7 showed, and a google images search showed more yet. Those "soft metal" screws are also present and certified in aircraft at my workplace. I had a reasonably high opinion of you and your views before this NEA vendetta started, frankly with the screw comment and further sensationalism you lost the respect of many I'm sure. Boy who cried wolf stuff.

I've owned some pretty shameful products produced by Colt, nobody's perfect 100% of the time. I'm not even much of a restricted guy these days but will buy NEA products this year simply to support an upstart moving ahead against all odds. I'm sure I won't get hurt either. Reputations as NEA learned have to be built and there's no fast track to it, I believe you just pulled an NEA gaffe of sorts without realizing it yourself. I know my gut feeling on your posts will be different for quite some time.
 
Ardent said:
I've owned some pretty shameful products produced by Colt, nobody's perfect 100% of the time.
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Exactly! I remember a Colt 1911 80's Series Gold Cup I bought brand new. Despite several trips back to Wortners for new barrel and more gunsmithing, it continued to FTF, FTE and had horrible accuracy. It eventually went back to Colt probably for meltdown, got my money back.

How come my two Norc 1911's in 9mm and .45 are flawless without a hiccup and accurate? Both cost me less than the price of said Colt.
 
lejarretnoir said:
Exactly! I remember a Colt 1911 80's Series Gold Cup I bought brand new. Despite several trips back to Wortners for new barrel and more gunsmithing, it continued to FTF, FTE and had horrible accuracy. It eventually went back to Colt probably for meltdown, got my money back.

How come my two Norc 1911's in 9mm and .45 are flawless without a hiccup and accurate? Both cost me less than the price of said Colt.
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Norinco has no place in the same post as Colt. Please don't mention Norinco again. :redface: ;)

I agree however that every manufacturer has hiccups.
 
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