NEA-15 CQB review

if other people are getting spread out case deflector patterns with other ammos, then yeah its not doing the same thing over and over again...

i tried mfs in my norinco, seemed underpowered and all over the place, half cycled fairly often, but only shot about 50 rnds of it before going w another brand, so may have been a bad batch..
 
For a new gun, I would not be impressed that the handguard was loose or that the dust cover was dysfunctional. I am not sure if you misspoke about the loose barrel so I will reserve judgment on that (if the barrel was loose, I think you would have some fairly serious issues with the gun). I am curious to hear more info on that pin walking out on you.

I am still interested in the PDW if/when it becomes available but I am really starting to wonder if the cost savings are really that worth it (over a PWS or Noveske) if there is a reasonable chance of having a dysfunctional rifle.

I really want NEA to succeed but some of these issues are really disheartening.
 
The NEA gets a mark of 7/10.
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Your review wasn't as detailed as others I've seen but it was telling in a number of respects. I think you're being overly generous here - due in no small part to pride of ownership. Based on what you've described so far, a 5/10 would be more reasonable.
 
2bad4u2 said:
Your review wasn't as detailed as others I've seen but it was telling in a number of respects. I think you're being overly generous here - due in no small part to pride of ownership. Based on what you've described so far, a 5/10 would be more reasonable.
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:agree:

Im keeping in mind that you only put 120-ish rounds through it, and having these kinds of results at the end of such a very, very low round count, definitely not something I look for in an AR, regardless of where its made...

A better optic would also help to see if accuracy can be improved also...

Just my $0.02 :D
 
I'm sure that Stevo nailed the problem with the pin walking out. Happened to me with my used Bushmaster ar. Why does tightening the 4 handguard bolts tighten the barrel?
 
Thats the review i was hoping would be all rainbows and blue diamonds. Sadly dissapointed.
 
kouik said:
I shot about 120 rounds...I had about 2 FTE. No jams, and I had 2 of those double rounds firing in one trigger pull. (I forgot the technical name) Now the reason this happened is that the pin holding the trigger and hammer together started to slide out of the receiver (That’s no good!!!:() Eventually it reached the point where it was only holding on one side.
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Are you meaning a "Double Tap" ? :eek:
 
2bad4u2 said:
...I think you're being overly generous here - due in no small part to pride of ownership.
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Perhaps. Though concluding that most NEA rifles have bugs that QC missed and that buying one gets you a "work in progress" seems to be painting with a pretty broad brush...

I think the buggy ones are over-represented here for obvious reasons. That is not necessarily a bad thing, just something for those thinking about getting an NEA to keep in mind. NEA is under the microscope and as such the points made by the OP have relevance. If my NEA came like that I would post about it. If my Norinco or Core had a loose hand guard and 2 FTE I'd likely just tighten it up, change to some decent ammo ;) and carry on shooting without posting about it.
 
Stevo said:
Are the legs of the hammer spring over or under the trigger pin?

If under, re-install it properly with the legs on top and that will prevent the trigger pin from walking out.
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The issue is the spring coils that surround the trigger need to be squeezed together to allow for clearance for the hammer spring to get through and sit in the groove in the pin. This was a problem with mine and 2 others I have looked at and fixed at the range. The grooves in the pins don't seem to be cut enough either for the spring to fit into
 
Runningfool said:
Perhaps. Though concluding that most NEA rifles have bugs that QC missed and that buying one gets you a "work in progress" seems to be painting with a pretty broad brush...

I think the buggy ones are over-represented here for obvious reasons. That is not necessarily a bad thing, just something for those thinking about getting an NEA to keep in mind. NEA is under the microscope and as such the points made by the OP have relevance. If my NEA came like that I would post about it. If my Norinco or Core had a loose hand guard and 2 FTE I'd likely just tighten it up, change to some decent ammo ;) and carry on shooting without posting about it.
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You have a good point,but even though there are bugs and we are scrutinizing their product on the net, does not mean that we don't like them.
These issues are likely to always be found by the end user and we are just reporting back to everyone as to what to look for. You can never be to safe.
 
mac100 said:
The issue is the spring coils that surround the trigger need to be squeezed together to allow for clearance for the hammer spring to get through and sit in the groove in the pin. This was a problem with mine and 2 others I have looked at and fixed at the range. The grooves in the pins don't seem to be cut enough either for the spring to fit into
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Is the spring wire thicker than normal? That would affect how they sit in the trigger pin grooves and could give the appearance of shallower than usual grooves.

I replaced my springs with a JP set after about 50 rounds and they sit fine in the grooves.
 
Stevo said:
Is the spring wire thicker than normal? That would affect how they sit in the trigger pin grooves and could give the appearance of shallower than usual grooves.

I replaced my springs with a JP set after about 50 rounds and they sit fine in the grooves.
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I have not compared them with my HBAR, but I am guessing you are right about the springs and that and it makes sense
 
Thanks for the review.

You say your hanguard was loose and made the barrel wiggle? Please take that handguard off and inspect the barrel nut before anything else.

Do another range report with better scope and ammo before you determine accuracy. Red dots without magnification are not a fair test @ 100yds. The doubling you experienced could be the trigger pin walking and poor hammer/trigger engagement. Walking pins are due to improper hammer springs or placement. I always grease the underside of my BCG for smooth running with the hammer.
Looks like your shell deflector is getting dinged because your using steel cases on T-6061. Go with brass cases then.
 
Stevo said:
Are the legs of the hammer spring over or under the trigger pin?

If under, re-install it properly with the legs on top and that will prevent the trigger pin from walking out.
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The hammer spring is over the trigger pin. I guess I understand chinese!;)

lejarretnoir said:
Thanks for the review.

You say your hanguard was loose and made the barrel wiggle? Please take that handguard off and inspect the barrel nut before anything else.

Do another range report with better scope and ammo before you determine accuracy. Red dots without magnification are not a fair test @ 100yds. The doubling you experienced could be the trigger pin walking and poor hammer/trigger engagement. Walking pins are due to improper hammer springs or placement. I always grease the underside of my BCG for smooth running with the hammer.
Looks like your shell deflector is getting dinged because your using steel cases on T-6061. Go with brass cases then.
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No the barrel wasn't loose and the barrel nut is perfectly tight. It just appeared to wiggle but it was actually in fact just the handguard that made it look like it. At the time I wasn't sure.

I will do a range report with a 3-9x40 power scope and some Federal match ammo. As for my deflector getting dinged. I really don't mind. It just adds flavor to my AR. lol
 
Thanks for the review. Again the NEA fails to shine.

I'm just so completely fed up with the seemingly endless "things to check for." I bought mine in December, no waiting. Saw it on the wall, bought it.

First it was loose/defective forward rail/hand guards, which NEA conceded was a problem with an earlier batch. They sent me a new one and a flash suppressor and a poker chip! Took just 3 days. Can't beat that.

Then it was the heavy trigger springs, this is a tricky issue - heavy triggers are potentially safer for soldiers in the stress of combat, not my opinion, what I've read. So I asked for new springs, for civilian use, that they were handing out, three times and got no response to the issue, gave up.

Then it was reported on CGN - double fires, BCG's, shill-gate, buffer tubes, post deletes, and then I lost track/interest.

I'm no NEA hater, and I don't think most CGN'ers that fairly critique the NEA 15 are either.

I bought the NEA15 because it was presented to me as a great canadian AR15, made by an aerospace company, with a lifetime warrantee. I trusted the salesman, and liked the price.

I'm now in line for a Daniel Defence AR, I want something that works and I'm told that DD is one of the best. I'm a newbie to the AR system, and in time I'll be able to build them like some of the fine CGN'ers who take the time to educate us newbies in the threads/posts.

I'm going to sell my unfired NEA15 because I'm not a certified AR15 tech, and I'm not going to fire 500+ rounds to figure out what potential "bugs" it has. However I do want to own a AR15 to learn with, if that means spending an extra $500 to $1000 for a better brand, then it's money well spent.

I write this not bash NEA, but as a warning to every other newbie like me, who doesn't want a "in development" gun. Happy to support a canadian company but this drama is getting old, besides ATRS and Dlask do fine work, just out of my budget.
 
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