CONFUSED! .223 Wylde

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So I was researching different calibers and I landed on the .223 Wylde, and all the information I'm finding is cancelling the previous info out.

Some questions I'd like to get answers for:

1) What are the pros of .223 Wylde? Cons? From what I can decipher is that the chambering is match grade.

2) 5.56 in .223 Wylde? .223 Rem in .223 Wylde? I can seem to find specific .223 Wylde ammo, so I'd assume either 5.56 or .223 Rem is meant for the .223 Wylde.
 
AFAIK .223 Wylde ammunition is not actually sold.

The chambering is popular in Canada because it can safely handle 5.56x45mm ammo as well as .223 Rem, and since it is not technically a US military calibre rifles chambered in it can be exported without hassle from the US.

Personally I think it is a little bit ridiculous because I am on the side of the argument that it is safe to fire 5.56 in a .223 Rem chambered rifle. By European standards, there is no difference between .223 Rem and 5.56. Plus people shoot 5.56 through their .223 Rem chambered rifles all the time and generally the rifles don't blow up. In my opinion, it is safe to shoot 5.56 in any modern manufactured .223 Rem rifle.
 
In my opinion it is NOT SAFE to fire 5.56 in a .223 rifle. It has little to do with the ammo itself (although nato brass is slightly thicker, and the round is loaded to a higher PSI than .223) it has to do with the leade. (I own a .223 wylde chambering , so I do know. ) There is a longer "free-bore" or leade in a 5.56 chamber than a commercial .223 chamber, AND the angle of the start of the rifling is more gentle in a 5.56 than the more abrupt .223 rifling.
So, just because no rifles have blown up that you know of, doesn't mean it can't happen. The wylde chamber is just a "between" chambering that has enough "give" to meet the minimum safe requirements of the 5.56 nato.
It is just a matter of time and the right combination of extra hot nato ammo, and a .223 rifle with substandard metal, and who knows? Injury is just a possibility. I personally wouldn't bother taking any risks. Thats why I bought the wylde rifle.
(It's a semi-custom Tikka M55 with a stainless Bartlien 26" varmint contour and its bedded and all the good stuff, cant post any pics cause I'm at work and the gun is home)
I think the wylde is gonna get more popular in the near future. Just my guess. If export from the USA is easier than I can't imagine it waning any.
 
I wish you could pop over and shoot mine. The trigger breaks if I even give it a mean look. It is the finest rifle I have ever shot. It shoots way better than me. (I can attest to this as 2 of my friends shot it better than me WITH MY OWN HOMELOADS for frigg sakes..)
 
Mr. Bill Wylde from Greenup Ill. pops onto this board once in a while.
His intention of the .223 Wylde chamber was a coloberation between himself and Mr Kiff from PTG, about making a reamer that would work for the 62gr IVI bullet. It just so happens this reamer also works with 80 gr bullets in a .223 provided you have a fast enough twist to stabilize them.

Mr. Wylde is also the father of the very first tube gun and a gunsmith extraordinaire.
 
maynard said:
Mr. Bill Wylde from Greenup Ill. pops onto this board once in a while.
His intention of the .223 Wylde chamber was a coloberation between himself and Mr Kiff from PTG, about making a reamer that would work for the 62gr IVI bullet. It just so happens this reamer also works with 80 gr bullets in a .223 provided you have a fast enough twist to stabilize them.

Mr. Wylde is also the father of the very first tube gun and a gunsmith extraordinaire.
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Bill hasn't been up to Connaught for years now; too bad.

Note that the intent was to produce a chamber that would work well with IVI 62gr ball for target shooting, enhancing performance potential for a competition rifle using this ammunition. Becasue it was designed for IVI, it obviously accepts NATO spec ball. It will also accept .223, of course.
If a rifle were being made up, the Wylde chamber is a good choice. It is a good design.
As mentionned, the difference between 5.56 and .223 is in the throating and the ogives of the projecting portions of the bullets, which may or may not pose a problem.
 
AlbertaGunslinger said:
AFAIK .223 Wylde ammunition is not actually sold.

The chambering is popular in Canada because it can safely handle 5.56x45mm ammo as well as .223 Rem, and since it is not technically a US military calibre rifles chambered in it can be exported without hassle from the US.

Personally I think it is a little bit ridiculous because I am on the side of the argument that it is safe to fire 5.56 in a .223 Rem chambered rifle. By European standards, there is no difference between .223 Rem and 5.56. Plus people shoot 5.56 through their .223 Rem chambered rifles all the time and generally the rifles don't blow up. In my opinion, it is safe to shoot 5.56 in any modern manufactured .223 Rem rifle.
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i agree with you, the 5.56 is safe to shoot in any rifle chambered in 223. i have shot hundreds of 5.56 in my weatherby vanguard and is way more accurate then the standard 223 ball ammo.
 
Saami states that 5.56 is a no no in a 223 for a reason. It's been stated many times what CAN happen and what does happen when you do. One side is backed up by industry pro's and the other by internet pro's! Pick your side and take your chances.
 
sgt.rock said:
I'm just saying that you guys that shoot 5.56 in a .223 are playing bingo blowup. Its just a matter of time and the right ammo/rifle and someone is gonna be learning BRAILE
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So you're saying a 62 gr 5.56 NATO round has more pressure than an 80 gr bullet loaded to the tits in a commercial case with Varget or VV N550?
Please provide links to pictures of blown up .223 from using 5.56 ammo.
 
maynard said:
So you're saying a 62 gr 5.56 NATO round has more pressure than an 80 gr bullet loaded to the t**s in a commercial case with Varget or VV N550?
Please provide links to pictures of blown up .223 from using 5.56 ammo.
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Ditto. Put up or shut up. Bill Wylde is not a stupid man. He's been doing this for nearly 2 decades ... so he is living proof of his design philosophy.
 
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Listen. I'm not gonna argue with people that don't want to listen, or are absolutely sure they are right. Do what you want. I don't give a crap. Really. Actually , please load 50 magazines of 5.56 and shoot them quickly in your favorite .223 soon. And please bear down close....
 
Not too long ago the DND issued 7.62 and 5.56 ammo to the DCRA for competitions.
Rifles were chambered for 7.62NATO/.308Win and 5.56NATO/.223 Rem.
These competitions were held all across Canada with the Provincial Rifle Associations. Hundreds of thousands of rounds were fired using DND supplied ammo on DND ranges in Civvy rifles. If the DND thought for one second, that this was a dangerous practice to use that ammo in those rifles, it never would have happened.
 
I am stating facts. Hundreds of thousands of rounds without one incident of a rifle blowing up. Maybe they were just lucky:rolleyes:
 
maynard said:
I am stating facts. Hundreds of thousands of rounds without one incident of a rifle blowing up. Maybe they were just lucky:rolleyes:
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i agree with you also, i have never seen a rifle get blowen up by using 5.56 in it. i have been shooting it out of my 223 rifle for years and nothing has happened.
 
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