Norinco (steel case) 7.62x51 ammo is hot!

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I shot a quick string over the chrony today and came up with an average of 2885 fps, high 2895fps, low 2867. This stuff is faster than the .308 factory ammo that I've tried (Remington core-lokt I think).

Just wondering if anyone would be concerned about shooting this stuff in an M14. The Hornady manual shows maximum loads for the M14 at 2700fps (for a 155 grain bullet). The ammo definitely kicks more than my full power reloads with 150 grain bullets!

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Well, considering the Norc M14 is supposed to be milspec, I can't see why there'd be any cause for concern.

7.62 nato spec ammo is actually a little milder than .308 commercial spec ammo. You can run into accelerated wear and broken parts or worse shooting .308 in a 7.62 Nato chambered gun.OP send a few fired cases to Hungry and he will tell you what's going on with your chamber spec and what's safe to shoot in it.
 
7.62 nato spec ammo is actually a little milder than .308 commercial spec ammo. You can run into accelerated wear and broken parts or worse shooting .308 in a 7.62 Nato chambered gun.OP send a few fired cases to Hungry and he will tell you what's going on with your chamber spec and what's safe to shoot in it.

Thanks, I'll get a hold of Hungry!

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I thought I felt a little extra whip with this stuff, I've shot 500 rounds of it without serious problems. Compared to S&B, Fedral & PRIVI, I find it doesn't feed as well as brass cased ammo, but that may be partially due to my mags which are getting dirty.

Welded baseplates have kept me from opening them up.....time to break out the dremel!
 
The bullet weight is about 147 grain, somewhat lighter than most factory loadings, that would account for the speed. All of my M-14's and my M-1 Garand (Yes it is in .308) shoot this stuff very well.

Scott
 
I wont shoot the stuff after watching this .. i have talked back and forth with this guy on youtube and watched all his vids , he really knows his stuff.

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I wont shoot the stuff after watching this .. i have talked back and forth with this guy on youtube and watched all his vids , he really knows his stuff.

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Yeah, I've been subscribed to him for a while now, I saw that video a while back. His batch of Norc stuff certainly does seem to have a few issues, for sure.

I think it's all a bit on the hotter side. Is it all dangerous? Eh, not too sure. The stuff I've shot (About 100 rounds) was fine out of my buddies Israeli Mauser.
 
I just bought several boxes.:eek:

The velocity in the Remington 5R would probaly show 2890fps average, if he set up his chrony at a standard 15 feet from muzzle. If you check 762NATO spec, I believe the velocities are given for 2" shorter barrel and taken at 78 feet from the muzzle. The REM700 5R has a 1/11.2" twist rate versus 1/12" for most NATO rifles which the original spec load was developed for, which should show a slight velocity increase and pressure gain. I throwing this figures out off top of my head. If anything is off the chart, please correct me.

The split case looks like a brittle steel case for sure. I can't see any other reason for it to split in that region longitudinally. I'm sure his 5R has a nice tight match chamber .308WWin dimensions, so we may see splitting likewise if our M-14's have NATO dimension chambers, being a little more generous than .308Winchester.

I'm going to fire these, keeping an eye on velocity and pressure. I'll try to remember my chrony, and I'll shoot at NATO spec distance from muzzle, to see if indeed it is producing M-80 ball velocities. and I'll post if something looks out to lunch. Some large firing pin holes can produce tiny craters in primers, which should not be looked at a excessive pressure by itself, without a flattened primer filling the pocket along with it, and knowing the composition of the primer hardness as a baseline to compare.

The charge weight seems light for the round, I believe the US ammo uses 46 grains????, based on a 150gr projectile for 2750 in a 1/12" twist barrel at 78feet. They may be using faster powder, like the video mentioned, to save on charge weight's/ cost's per round,, but it may produce higher port pressure, and more abrupt cycling.

Great video he did there,... and thanks for posting it. I love when someone document's there finding's like this. Bravo!!!1
 
I had a case failure that looked exactly like that in the video with some Radway Green out of my M14. The odd case failure like that would not concern me as much as the velocity they show
 
I bought this stuff also and visually inspected every round before firing. Out of 4 boxes I found 2 rounds that looked to have the begining of a case fracture so they were not fired. The rest worked out fine. Sorry, I did not keep the examples to post pictures, but I would recommend a visual inspection of the casings before using this product. Not sure if I would buy any more at this point.
 
I ran the copper washed steel cased Norc ammo through my CanAm m14 shorty, over the chrono:

EDIT: Corrected deviation and span from m/sec to ft/sec.

average 2660.2 fps, 2308.7 ft/lbs. Std deviation 22.8ft/sec, span 74.7ft/sec . 10 rounds for this sample group.

Through the Ruger Scout (Mauser Action) Rifle:

average 2706.9 fps, 2390.4 ft/lbs. Std deviation 24.0ft/sec, span 76.8ft/sec. 10 rounds for this sample group.
 
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How much was this stuff/1,000rds?

Trying to figure out which batch of Norinco ammo this was. How much/1000 was it at CanadaAmmo, thanks!
 
All seems pretty normal for a 145 grain projectile in 7.62x51 NATO ball.

Yes, the odd case does split, in any brand.

Maybe try a comparison between Portuguese, Hirtenberger, etc?
 
Is it because steel doesn't expand the way brass does?????
I that for me? Not sure what you are asking.

Yes, steel can split more easily, but brass can as well if not annealed properly. A split case is not really a big deal unless it causes a safety issue, which it rarely does.
 
All seems pretty normal for a 145 grain projectile in 7.62x51 NATO ball.

Yes, the odd case does split, in any brand.

Maybe try a comparison between Portuguese, Hirtenberger, etc?

I've got an accurate enough chrono! If there are some samples, 20-50 rounds of each I'd be more than happy to test them!
 
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