6X47L vs 6XC vs 6BR ???
- Thread starter dawgmaster
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- 1-12", you can use Berger's 80gr FB
- 1-10" you can use Berger's 90gr BT
- 1-9" you can use Berger's 95gr VLD
- 1-8" when you can use 105gr VLD, 150gr Hybrid and 108gr BT.
I ordered a 1-7.5" Kreiger from Mystic Precision because I want to be able to experiment with 115gr DTAC, 115gr Berger VLD and 117gr Matrix Ballistics VLD.
Alex
- Location
- Saskatchewan
Never tried any type of 85 but the 88 berger didn't work in the 12! Pretty well stuck at 80!
- Location
- Saskatchewan
What calibre you shootin?
6mm choices
There's two categories of 6mm calibre shooters.
The hunter who wants velocity and accuracy.
The stationary paper puncher who just wants accuracy.
I shoot a flat shooting 243Ackley with PacNor 1:10 using Lapua brass.
Its very fast and very accurate.
The reloading process doesn't include all those brass forming steps.
80gr BERGERs @ 3550 fps or 90gr Scenars @ 3430 fps
Punching paper from a stationary position is an ideal situation for any of the
6mmBR calibres and they dont vary much between one another. It's not difficult to lobb bullets into the target area when you're shooting from a stationary position and know the target distance.
There's two categories of 6mm calibre shooters.
The hunter who wants velocity and accuracy.
The stationary paper puncher who just wants accuracy.
I shoot a flat shooting 243Ackley with PacNor 1:10 using Lapua brass.
Its very fast and very accurate.
The reloading process doesn't include all those brass forming steps.
80gr BERGERs @ 3550 fps or 90gr Scenars @ 3430 fps
Punching paper from a stationary position is an ideal situation for any of the
6mmBR calibres and they dont vary much between one another. It's not difficult to lobb bullets into the target area when you're shooting from a stationary position and know the target distance.
Animal target gives you one shot...it either drops dead or runs away.
You want bullet energy, performance, accuracy, and flat shooting all within in a few seconds before you PULL the trigger.
Paper target is there forever... shoot as many times as you want and take a smuch time as you want.
You can use a-n-y bullet and dont care about the velocity.
You want bullet energy, performance, accuracy, and flat shooting all within in a few seconds before you PULL the trigger.
Paper target is there forever... shoot as many times as you want and take a smuch time as you want.
You can use a-n-y bullet and dont care about the velocity.
- Location
- Saskatchewan
Hey hotshot...do you shoot at a 1000 yards with that 243ai and the 90 lapuas? If so, how do they work? I just started shootin them outta my 6ai at 1000 chrony at 3600!
Your view of target shooting seems pretty limited. The shooter is stationary whether you're hunting or target shooting. As for the target and the energy needed, that really depends on the type of match. There are unknown distance sniper/practical matches that involve knoking down steel targets at unknown distances. That requires energy.
The ORA/NSCC Precision Rifle match include moving targets and snap exposures where the target is only exposed for as little as 3 seconds. These stages go out to 500 meters. Its a world of difference from deliberate style target shooting and I would bet that the people who excell at this match could dispatch an animal more cleanly than most hunters because they've honed the skill on a paper target. How does one practice shooting moving animals other than going out and shooting at them, and likely only wounding a good number of them before becoming proficient at it?
I shoot a 6mm Crusader (basically a 6mmAI). It can launch a 115 gr. bullet at 3200 fps. or a 105 gr. at close to 3400 fps. Either will drift less in the wind and deliver more energy to the target than those bullet. They will also be running at a higher velocity at distance. It does a nice job of dispatching animals and shots inside most other calibers you will encounter at a match.
There are more than just two categories of 6mm shooters...
You should come out to Homestead sometime and experience just how "not difficult" it is to lob bullets into a target at known distance. I think you may just change your tune on that one.
243ai
I have a 1:10 which stabilizes the Lapua 90 gr but nothing larger.
Going to a heavier bullet and loosing 200 fps didnt interest me.
If I wanted to shoot heavier bullet or shoot 1000 yd distances I would have gone with a larger calibre such as a 260Rem or similar.
The 6mm x 110 gr plus bullets are just for paper punching
They arent even hunting grade bullets.
I have a 1:10 which stabilizes the Lapua 90 gr but nothing larger.
Going to a heavier bullet and loosing 200 fps didnt interest me.
If I wanted to shoot heavier bullet or shoot 1000 yd distances I would have gone with a larger calibre such as a 260Rem or similar.
The 6mm x 110 gr plus bullets are just for paper punching
They arent even hunting grade bullets.
Berger makes two versions of the 115 VLD, one for target shooting and one for hunting. Matrix Ballistics has the same. These retain their velocity out to greater distances than the 80 or 90 gr. bullets and will expand out to greater distances.
Your 243AI would rock a 260 Rem ballistically if it had the right barrel to shot heavy bullets. The only advantage the 260 has over it is barrel life...
Your 243AI would rock a 260 Rem ballistically if it had the right barrel to shot heavy bullets. The only advantage the 260 has over it is barrel life...
which 6mm is better
I shouldn't be including the 260 calibre to the context of the orig. question which asks which "6mm is best choice".
In comparing all the 6mm's I simply favor the 243Ackley because it doesnt require alot of brass forming exercises and is easy to reload.
My 243 Ackley with 1:10 and 75-90 gr. bullets produces the highest velocities for flat long range shooting. This is a super accurate calibre !
I shouldn't be including the 260 calibre to the context of the orig. question which asks which "6mm is best choice".
In comparing all the 6mm's I simply favor the 243Ackley because it doesnt require alot of brass forming exercises and is easy to reload.
My 243 Ackley with 1:10 and 75-90 gr. bullets produces the highest velocities for flat long range shooting. This is a super accurate calibre !
I don't consider brass forming to be a chore. If your chamber is designed as a no-turn, case can be formed using subsonic/reduced Trailboss loads. However, this also requires a barrel with a fast twist as you generally need to do it with bullets on the heavy end of the scale.
6mm Rem case, 5x 6mm Crusader cases formed with a subsonic load, fully formed 6mm Crusader case.
This accomplished the same as the COW forming method, but is a lot more fun! Subsonic rounds put hardly any wear on the barrel because the velocity is low and little heat is produced. It's basically a pistol load. They form the case in a gentle way that yields nice low runouts.
6mm Rem case, 5x 6mm Crusader cases formed with a subsonic load, fully formed 6mm Crusader case.
This accomplished the same as the COW forming method, but is a lot more fun! Subsonic rounds put hardly any wear on the barrel because the velocity is low and little heat is produced. It's basically a pistol load. They form the case in a gentle way that yields nice low runouts.
