Continuation of "Non-Restricted ACR Blues"

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If you want to read the first part of this story, you can find it HERE

It’s finally time for everyone to know how this thing turned out. To recap, when I last left you I had sent my ACR back to Questar (at their expense) for evaluation regarding the malfunctions I was experiencing. As well, I had identified a number of components that should have been upgraded had the gun gone in for its mandatory factory recall. These being a separate issue that would require a trip to the warranty centre (The Gravel Agency in QC). Before placing my online order for the rifle back in August 2011, I specifically phoned in to ask if it had been subject to the recall and if it was a current production rifle, to which the Questar sales person on the phone replied that it was current and good to go. Only after a detailed inspection and conversation with Bushmaster did I discover that this was not the case. Questar’s response when asked about this:

“We can only accept what our suppliers tell us when it comes to the products they sell. We were informed that all rifles sold by this distributor had either been back for the recall or did not require it.” - Scott

Kind of a cop out, I think. I believe a business should stand behind what they sell not pass the buck to their “suppliers”. In any case, Questar agreed to look at the rifle and The Gravel Agency agreed to honor the warranty, despite the fact that the rifle had an aftermarket barrel.

On the 7th of November (2011) I sent the rifle back to Questar (and on to Gravel) for them to investigate the malfunctions. It took until the 13th of January 2012 for the warranty work from Gravel to be completed and the rifle to make its way back to Questar. At that time I asked Scott at Questar to not ship the rifle back until Gravel had produced the full report from the Gunsmith at the warranty centre. In his earlier email (20 Dec 2011) he stated:

“If Gravel Agency finds an issue with the installed barrel or find it as a cause of another issue we will work with Gravel Agency to resolve this issue.”– Scott

This was a very difficult time to get in touch with anyone, on account of the holidays and Shot Show 2012, but Gravel assured me they would send a full report regarding everything they had observed. The report was sent out via email on the 3rd of February to both Scott at Questar and me. I read through it thoroughly and here are the highlights:

- Firing pin and spring were replaced with proper versions so it would be safe to fire
- Gas block was canted (potentially contributing to the malfunctions)
- Misaligned barrel lock mechanism
- Abnormal hand guard rubbing
- Old style gas plug and piston
- Loose charging handle

Important to note the following quote from the report:

“It has been brought by the customer that this rifle has serious cycling issues. It has been clearly identified that those issues are related to the barrel/gas block setup...due to the non-factory barrel, no reliability test nor live fire testing have been done to this rifle.”

I emailed Scott at Questar to see what they were going to do about this, and he replied with the following:
“Your rifle was shipped back to you last week (Tuesday Jan 31st) as we had no indication that Gravel Agency would be providing the report in a timely fashion. While in our possession we conducted a 300 round test and experienced no issues or stoppages what so ever.” – Scott

Questar did not even wait to see the report from Gravel. Pretty insulting considering the issues I was experiencing was likely with their barrel and just weeks before Scott said they would resolve any issues found by Gravel. I got the rifle back on the 10th of February and optimistically I took it out to test it out again. Keep in mind that since I purchased this rifle in August 2011, I had only fired (or attempted to fire) 50 rounds through it. As expected, it malfunctioned on the first magazine. This time I took video HERE

I wrote yet another email to Scott at Questar explaining the reoccurring malfunctions and this time including the video. His response:

“I am currently out of the country returning Feb 24th. I will review and respond to your email upon my return.” – Scott

I am a very patient person, but I must say that by this time, it was wearing thin. I responded to him with a request to see if any other person could deal with this in his absence. His reply:

“In response to your question I am the only one dealing and able to deal with this. As far as anything wrong with your gun I need to strongly disagree as both Questar and Gravel have tested the rifle with our barrel installed and had no issues with it. We will NOT be covering and or incurring any further costs for an issue that does not appear to be apparent! To us or to the manufacturers rep.” – Scott

The interesting thing to note at this point is how he claims Gravel tested the rifle with the Questar barrel which is in stark contrast to the report Gravel sent out. I responded to this by quoting the report and insisting that he take a second to watch the videos I included in the last email. His reply:

“I will respond upon my return. And by the way I spoke personally with Jerome and they did test the gun with our barrel but not to the extent they test their own (about 150 rounds) and because it is not a BM item it was not included in their report.” – Scott

To get to the bottom of this I contacted the Rep at Gravel (Jerome) who produced the report and asked him point blank to confirm if they had tested the rifle with the Questar barrel. Here is Jerome’s response:

“The Rifle have not been test fired using the Qstar Barrel. As stated in the Report, no live ammunition have been fired thru this rifle due to the After-market barrel. According to the protocol, the Usual test and evaluation require a Test fire in order to confirm the function and reliability of the firearms. Since you no longer have a firearms covered under warranty we’ve skip this phase.” – Jerome

After reading this, I didn’t know what to believe anymore, but it was evident that Questar was not above lying to try and get out of this issue. I decided to cut my losses at this point and quite dealing with Questar. I was beginning to sound like a broken record and was making no progress. I sent Scott one final email quoting Jerome’s reply and informing him that I would be publicly posting this info.

In order to fix this rifle I had to turn to a reputable third party gunsmith and pay him to completely diagnose and fix every problem with the Questar barrel. This cost me more time and more money, but at least I could be assured that it would be sorted out properly. In a nut shell, the barrel extension needed to be replaced and was misaligned, the gas block was installed incorrectly and needed new taper pins and the gas port was the wrong size. He promptly fixed these issues and shipped it back. When it arrived, it worked like a charm. The gunsmith wishes to remain anonymous, so as not to get in the middle of this, so please do not ask for info regarding this.

Finally after almost eight months, my rifle works the way it should have on day one. I spent over $3000 dollars on this rifle from Questar and they left me high and dry to cover all the repair costs on their defective barrel. I have received no compensation or reimbursement for any of my trouble. I didn’t even get a “sorry”. I will NEVER buy another thing from Questar and strongly encourage others to learn from my experience and more importantly see how Questar treats their customers.
 
That totally sucks. Blaxsun has a thread on crappy service from Questar as well. If you dont mind me asking, how much did the gunsmith charge you?
 
That totally sucks. Blaxsun has a thread on crappy service from Questar as well. If you dont mind me asking, how much did the gunsmith charge you?

I've dealt with Blaxsun a number of times and he has explained his situation to me. I can't say that I'm surprised that he is getting the same level of service I did.

All said and done, I was out another $500ish if you factor in shipping and insurance.
 
Or just be moved to Questars forum and be locked in a couple minutes. Either way they won't be seeing one red discontinued cent out of Ben. Anyways i already have 3 of their lar-15 mags that won't feed that I got on sale from them..
 
Has there been a change of ownership then, I haven't ordered from them for a couple years, but always had decent service then. After the last sh!t show of posts on Questar, I don't think I'll order again. There are just to many reputable dealers out there!
 
Finally after almost eight months, my rifle works the way it should have on day one. I spent over $3000 dollars on this rifle from Questar and they left me high and dry to cover all the repair costs on their defective barrel. I have received no compensation or reimbursement for any of my trouble. I didn’t even get a “sorry”. I will NEVER buy another thing from Questar and strongly encourage others to learn from my experience and more importantly see how Questar treats their customers.

WOW. Just... wow.
TWK

To say this is a trainwreck (^) would be a massive understatement. I would've at least expected an apology for the severe inconvenience. 8 months... I'm still speechless. So you're basically out-of-pocket $500 to turn your lemon into a functional rifle. That's insane!

I wish I could say that this comes as a surprise, but recent events suggest otherwise... I think Questar really needs to step up and make this right. As far as I'm concerned you potentially saved them from a huge liability issue. I'm just glad you weren't injured shooting the thing before you were able to have it upgraded and fixed!
 
Between this and the SCAR-trocity . . . I like buying my stuff from SFRC! Or Wolverine!

This is the internet age. Customer service really is the defining part of your business, and they're just not doing it right.
 
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I also had a less than stellar experience with Questar before and remain reluctant to deal with them again. It started with me calling them to ask some questions about a gun, then with credit card in hand I said Ok I'll take one, I was told to place an order on the website. I mean must be doing pretty well if you don't jump on an opportunity to make a sale! So I did and wanted to add another item but it was out of stock, next day I checked and surprise, surprise next day it was in stock, I call and ask if they can add it to my order so I can save on shipping. Was told it would cost them too much money to do that and I have to pay shipping again. Pretty sure any other store would do that no problem, kinda disappointed but still ordered it and payed separate shipping. When I got the gun I had some issues with brass, sent it back to them they tested it and sent me some fired brass, guess what half of them showed the same issue but I was told there was no problem. Go figure!
 
That really sucks man, I'm glad you got your gun back but that seriously sucks to have all those problems.

What REALLY irks me, is that with what Gravel Agency said (and I've dealt with Gravel before, they have no need to lie about anything. If they said they did something, then they did it. If they said they didn't do something, then they didn't. plain and simple) questar was bald face lying... For a product THEY made and completely screwed up on...

I've been reading these issues lately, and it seems to be getting worse. Online sites like this are a great way to share information (both good and bad) and you deal with guys like Ryan at SFRC and The Shooting Edge, and you just know those guys care about their customers... You deal with a little problem like a bum barrel, and this entire cluster happened, says a lot.



Just curious, but at ANY time was a new replacement barrel offered because of the defective first barrel you bought?
 
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