Sighting in blues

I was just about to make a topic asking for help myself. I have a new savage 110BA in .338 lapua and I cant hit paper at anything over 25 yards and even then its over 6inches out.

The first scope I had on was a nikon monarch, 100yards nothing, 50yards nothing, so I took the scope to a different gunsmith to be re-sighted. Back to the range and still nothing. I tried 25yards and was 9 inches out so I took it to P&D to have them give it a try. Back at the range same problem.

I returned the scope and went with a trijicon, again sighted in through P&D. I just got back from the range 10minutes ago and once again its not even on paper at 25 yards. I don't know whats left to do besides ship the gun to savage.

2 scopes, 4 different gunsmiths. Whats going on here?
 
YoungGunz said:
2 scopes, 4 different gunsmiths. Whats going on here?
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You've used the terms "sighted in" and "re-sighted". Do you mean the gunsmith sighted in the rifle by shooting, or that the rifle was boresighted with a collimator?

Who mounted the base, rings and scope?

How big or small is your target?...and target holder?

Add information such as brand and model of bases and rings.

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But to answer your question...
- Wind.
- Poor rest.
- Flinching.
- Wrong size target.
- Poor quality ammo.
- Ammo incompatible with rifle.
- Collimator not accurate.
- Bad scope.
- Loose base/s or ring/s.
- etc.etc.etc., or a combination of any or all of the above.
 
Personally I don't trust lazers, colimators or any other bore sighting devices. Best way to do it is shoot it with someone spotting your rounds and telling you how to correct.
 
C'mon guys, are you telling me that the bullets are changing course...aside from normal ballistics.
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Who said that the bullets are changeing course? I'm speculateing that the bore isn't pointing in the same place when its static and while the bullet is exiting after being thumped with 100 grains of powder.


I've got a big heavy braked .338 sitting on the table right now, Bat actioned with integral rail, 30" Hart barrel and screwed together by a 'mericun named Carlock. It's quite capable of putting 300 grain SMKs in the same hole at 100 yards or holding 1/2 MOA at 1/2 mile. If you looked through the bore right now you would see the same thing that I do, that is that the crosshairs and bore aren't looking in the same place. Not even close. The bullets and the crosshairs sure do.:)
 
Lodi said:
You've used the terms "sighted in" and "re-sighted". Do you mean the gunsmith sighted in the rifle by shooting, or that the rifle was boresighted with a collimator?

Who mounted the base, rings and scope?

How big or small is your target?...and target holder?

Add information such as brand and model of bases and rings.

~~~

But to answer your question...
- Wind.
- Poor rest.
- Flinching.
- Wrong size target.
- Poor quality ammo.
- Ammo incompatible with rifle.
- Collimator not accurate.
- Bad scope.
- Loose base/s or ring/s.
- etc.etc.etc., or a combination of any or all of the above.
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boresighted twice with a collimator and once just by sighting through the barrel.

There's zero wind where I shoot and I'm only shooting 25yards away.
I've tried multiple rests
I'm not the only one who has shot the rifle
The ammo is lower quality yes
2nd scope, I doubt I'd get two faulty scopes from 2 separate companies.
The rings are nightforce

I imagine I'll give savage a call and ship it off to them cause I've spent far to much time and money trying to get this thing to work. My $400 savage package rifle is more accurate than the $4000 I spent on this setup.
 
Dogleg said:
Who said that the bullets are changeing course? I'm speculateing that the bore isn't pointing in the same place when its static and while the bullet is exiting after being thumped with 100 grains of powder.
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Nobody said they were changing course, but the impression I am getting is that people think there is something wrong or abnormal going on. The OP has not chimed in with any additional info and I'm just trying to follow along.

Dogleg said:
If you looked through the bore right now you would see the same thing that I do, that is that the crosshairs and bore aren't looking in the same place. Not even close. The bullets and the crosshairs sure do.:)
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I agree that this is normal.:sniper:
 
Sorry, I didn't get back to you sooner, work happened, I checked 3 of my bolt actions, they all point to where they shoot, a 22-250, a 25-06, and ,340 Weatherby, and they all shoot under 1", this Savage does not point to where it shoots but still shoots under an inch, at 35 and at 100 yds. , so I guess we can send it back to Savage, we cant live without any windage adjustment , or we can change mounts to some adjustable type, maybe a change in the picatinney rail as well, this would be my last choice as a 30 moa. rail was just machined and installed on it and yes we did check the new rail.
 
What about just throwing a set of Burris zee rings on there? If it is grouping well then it shouldn't be an issue if you can get everything all centered up with the zee rings.
 
YoungGunz said:
boresighted twice with a collimator and once just by sighting through the barrel.

There's zero wind where I shoot and I'm only shooting 25yards away.
I've tried multiple rests
I'm not the only one who has shot the rifle
The ammo is lower quality yes
2nd scope, I doubt I'd get two faulty scopes from 2 separate companies.
The rings are nightforce

I imagine I'll give savage a call and ship it off to them cause I've spent far to much time and money trying to get this thing to work. My $400 savage package rifle is more accurate than the $4000 I spent on this setup.
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I am a little lost. Are you expecting the rifle to be sighted in for you? The bore sighter is only going to get you close. You will still have to adjust the scope to get your POI where you want it to be.

Or are you all out of windage adjustment and the rifle is still not on target?
 
cdnredneck_t3 said:
I am a little lost. Are you expecting the rifle to be sighted in for you? The bore sighter is only going to get you close. You will still have to adjust the scope to get your POI where you want it to be.

Or are you all out of windage adjustment and the rifle is still not on target?
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Sorry I was a little vague. At 25yards its shooting 9 inches to the upper right corner of the target everytime from where I'm aiming. At full windage adjustment it may bring me 2 inches closer to where I'm aiming. This problem was on my first scope and now its happening to the new one I just bought. I'm not expecting to be on target straight out of the store but I'm expecting to be able to adjust myself so that I'm on target which is what I've so far been unable to do. Like I said before this is the 2nd scope and I've had 4 different gunsmiths look it over, as well as 2 shooters other than myself.
 
Did you try turning it off and on again?
Is it plugged in ?

Jk, sounds messed up I would have given all the advice already given.
I think your toy needs an exorcist.
 
If you got a new scope and you are having the same issues I would look at the holes drilled for the scope mounts. Sounds like they are off center from one another.
 
MarkHFX said:
I had my rifle bore sighted just last week. It was off the paper at 30 yards.

I set up a copper pipe at 30 yards with a golfball on top.
removed the bolt and looked down the bore until the ball was centered,
then adjusted my scope to the ball. Checked a few times, then added 4 minutes elevation and shot at the range at 100m.
It was perfect.
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This was how I sighted in my .223, it's a bit harder to peek through that smaller barrel though, but I have done it with a 17hmr.:p
 
Not an unusual situation.

Use a Millet ring for a Weaver type base. Set the scope wind to the middle position, equal movement left and right.

To move the point of impact, use the left-right adjustment of the scope base to center the bullet hits. Then use some blue Loc-Tite to lock the scope base. Fine tune with the scope adjustment.

One trick to try (or the cause of your problem) is to turn one of the existing rings around.
 
if you have a muzzle brake perhaps it isnt centered and causing a slight deflection??? if you have one, take it off and try it - the crown isnt damaged? its not a scope issue, you have eliminated that. After the above have been checked then i would be guessing the barrel has demons...
 
chrismc said:
if you have a muzzle brake perhaps it isnt centered and causing a slight deflection??? if you have one, take it off and try it - the crown isnt damaged? its not a scope issue, you have eliminated that. After the above have been checked then i would be guessing the barrel has demons...
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Some scopes have double the adjustment range as others. Some demons have double the enthusiasm as others.
 
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