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ok guys i was thinking the other day and i dont really even look at guns in non antique cals but then the other day i had a idea what if i have the revolver sent without the cylinder and have that sent seperate(id have a new cylinder made but keep the old one so it matchs ) could it be shiped up here
 
How do you prove then, that it IS a prescribed antique? The defining characteristic is the chambering that it is in, after all.
I'm reasonably certain that it would come down to that, should your parcel be checked en route.

May just as well keep all the original parts together, sell the leftovers AFTER the caliber conversion proves a success.

Cheers
Trev
 
I'd be thinking you'd be in possession of an unregistered restricted revolver when that antique frame and "no go" cal. cylinder arrived at your home.

Perhaps a better option would be to send the "no go" cal. pistol to a US smith to be fitted with a "go" cylinder, then sent to you, via. USPS, as a bono-fide antique.
 
If it has a non-antique caliber stamped on the barrel (45 colt, 44 wcf, 38 wcf, etc.) then i thiunk there is a strong probability it would probably be considered restricted even if it doesn't have a cylinder with it.

I bought mine in the US and got it converted down there before it got sent to me in Canada. You can get new parts put on an antique revolver in the US and ship it to canada no permits on either side of the border, because it's an antique. But you need import and export permits to get a cylinder sent up here from the US. A lot easier and less expensive to get the work done down there.
 
they way i seen it if the cylinder was gone it not be in any caliber and therefore antique the cylinder coming up here would be to keep the original parts with the gun it would not even come in contact with the pistol (id most likely store it elsewere)

i dont know any real gunsmith down south (just parts kit builders and parts fitters) so this would not be a cheap option reason im looking down there in the first place it too get it cheaper it seems every one thinks once antique is up here its worth twice as much
 
With a non antique caliber stamp on the barrel, its going to be considered restricted.
In the absence of a caliber stamp establishing antique status, its going to be considered restricted.
 
FWIW the CFO considers a SIG P225 without a barrel to be prohibited because the standard gun is prohibited with a standard barrel. I can only imagine the same thought process is involved with an antique revolver.
 
antiqueguy said:
they way i seen it if the cylinder was gone it not be in any caliber and therefore antique the cylinder coming up here would be to keep the original parts with the gun it would not even come in contact with the pistol (id most likely store it elsewere)...
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If you were found to be in possession of an unregistered restricted firearm with the cylinder stored separately you would likely get an opportunity to test your opinion in court. The CFP have previously refused to deregister a restricted firearm until it has been converted to an allowed caliber so their opinion seems different from yours.

I would expect the CFP opinion prevailing at your trial but I don't pretend to be an expert. Courts are a crap shoot at best and the outcome is never guaranteed. It's your money and your life.
 
the stamp makes less then no sense because that would stay there even after the converson(dont want to destroy the gun) the new cylinder would be marked in the new cal i think the gun im looking at could just have the cylinder reamed to the new cal(.38 colt to .38 special)
 
Have you studied the dimensions of .38LC and .38Sp?

Nominally:

.38LC case is .381" diameter, 1.031" long, with a rim .445" in diameter and .060 thick.
.38Sp case is .379" diameter, 1.155" long, with a rim .44" in diameter and .058" thick.
Allow for manufacturing variations, and the case length is the only difference - and an utterly irrelevant one from the standpoint of chambering and firing a .38LC.

There is no way on earth to prove that a .38LC cylinder than has been reamed to .38Sp is not still a .38LC revolver. It was originally manufactured as .38LC, and would still chamber and fire .38LC in a perfectly normal and safe manner.
 
antiqueguy said:
the stamp makes less then no sense because that would stay there even after the converson(dont want to destroy the gun) the new cylinder would be marked in the new cal i think the gun im looking at could just have the cylinder reamed to the new cal(.38 colt to .38 special)
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Remember that being reasonable and making sense has nothing to do with the justice system and less so in regards to firearms law.

Call the CFP and ask them. They'll give you their opinion and then you can decide. There's no point arguing here.
 
would not the frame of a pre 1898 handgun automaticly make it an antique .

and the only thing making it a restricted would be if it was chambered in a no go round . this would mean it would have to have some sort of mark on the firearm telling you what is is chambered in .

SO if a person had a handgun with no cylinder , no markings indicating the round intended to be fired out of it , and the serial number did not lead to another document indicating the chambering ..... why would it not be an antique ?

now back to the op's post ..... there is a very good chance that somewhere there is something in writing that would indicate that the gun you intend to bring into canada is on the no go list .
it could be on the gun , it could be in some sort of historical records .

what you would need then is a piece of paper stating that is was converted to fire a round not on the no go list .

by removing the cylinder what your trying to do is very similar to the guy who shipped some unpinned mags into canada , but imported them as seperate magazine parts .

from what i understand , things did not go well for him .
 
well all it says on the gun is 38 it does not say cartridge but the making has nothing to do with caliber because after all i would not even destry these markings after the conversion and advise you to just have the new(or rechambered) cylinder marked in cal so a .44-40 to .44 spec conversion you would just have the cylinder marked

like i said before the oringial cylinder would be brought up but shiped to a different address(one of a friend) and would never come in contact with the gun unless i register it first
 
antiqueguy said:
well all it says on the gun is 38 it does not say cartridge but the making has nothing to do with caliber because after all i would not even destry these markings after the conversion and advise you to just have the new(or rechambered) cylinder marked in cal so a .44-40 to .44 spec conversion you would just have the cylinder marked

like i said before the oringial cylinder would be brought up but shiped to a different address(one of a friend) and would never come in contact with the gun unless i register it first
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here is the potential problem for you .....

when that gun was made it was stamped as a " 38 " .

the company that made that gun intended the 38 to mean a specific cartridge . ( this sort of thing is well documented ) .

if that same cartridge is on the no go list , more than likely you have a restricted frame , regardless of where the cylinder resides .
 
Don't forget the strike position of the hammer is going to determine it as well.
Obviously changing the cylinder but not the firing pins position on the hammer is only going to leave leave a divot in the middle of an unfired rimfire round
 
burnt_servo said:
read the seocnd line of my post .....
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I did. Pre 1898 manufacture does not automatically make anything an antique. Therefore the CFC with automatically assume either restricted or prohibited if a handgun. Only a determination of caliber ( in the case of catridge handguns) makes it move to antique.
 
Yes. In the absence of caliber information, default classification will be restricted or prohibited.
I would also be very cautious about claiming a .38LC to .38Sp rechambering as the basis for antique status.
 
tiriaq said:
Yes. In the absence of caliber information, default classification will be restricted or prohibited.
I would also be very cautious about claiming a .38LC to .38Sp rechambering as the basis for antique status.
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i have chambered .38 colt in a .38sp revolver before so the shorter cartridge would not make a differece once its chambered for the longer cartridge it would no longer be chambered for the shorter cartridge the shorter cartridge mite still fit but that will happen in most .38sp guns. just like the 25rd ruger 10/22 mags fit the charger ;)
 
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