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Last half of Post 19, guys. I do my research first. Old posts and old EE ads can tell you a lot.

I don't just open up for normal illiteracy, although at times it can be most daunting trying to understand what somebody is asking about.

I am not the greatest fan of the MN rifle, although I do have 6 of them and respect them. I just did not want to be responsible for one of their tribe succumbing to the smiling advances of Bubba's Kid Brother!
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Expendable Nate said:
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Sorry. I gave up guessing what and trying to read minds quite a long time ago when I discovered that some people do not have one.



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smellie said:
Last half of Post 19, guys. I do my research first. Old posts and old EE ads can tell you a lot.

I don't just open up for normal illiteracy, although at times it can be most daunting trying to understand what somebody is asking about.

I am not the greatest fan of the MN rifle, although I do have 6 of them and respect them. I just did not want to be responsible for one of their tribe succumbing to the smiling advances of Bubba's Kid Brother!
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Smellie, what are your thoughts on the Finnish M39 Mosin Nagant?
 
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Well I don't know what SMELLIE will reply, but I consider the m/39 Mosin Nagant as one of the best of the PRODUCTION M/N rifles. It incorporates many improvements learned throughout the years the rifle was in Service, and is sort of the end-of-the-line evolution wise for the ordinary Service rifles. We are not talking about the later limited production sniper rifle versions here but ordinary, issued, Mosin Nagant rifles.

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The collective group of the milsurp forum tries to retain the history of service rifles of this and other countries.While some people may call us snobbish,who else would spend more than a said rifle is worth to restore it to a state of originality.While we spend hundreds of dollars to restore a chopped up sporter,there are people who are doing the exact opposite faster than that.
 
Post 19, second half.

Gawd help the Mausers! Good ones are few and far between these days and they were SO close to PERFECT just the way they were built.

I'm gonna go for a good cry.
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Wow, Smellie I know I'm new here and I get where you're coming from but after reading your posts in this thread I simply had to say something. If you're going to passive aggressively rip into people for not appreciating or understanding the historical value of their firearm, and for having "poor grammar", the VERY least you could do is know that it's MOSIN not MOISIN. I could see it being a typo, but 5 pages later you're still spelling it wrong. I have to say from an objective point of view it doesn't seem like you take the history as seriously as you do belittling other "lesser" forum members.

I checked this thread because I love my bubba'd Polish M44 and I like reading about mosin nagants. Now I feel like just because the rifle I bought was painted black at some point (which actually looks surprisingly nice) and had the bayonet removed, everybody's going to treat me like some kind of leper. I don't want you to think I'm trying to derail this thread or troll or anything but I see a few people quietly supporting the OP and no one really speaking out. Lots of people are new to this scene, myself included, and encountering hostility in the face of innocent curiosity isn't the type of thing that will encourage more people to get into the shooting sports. Maybe you'd rather no more bubbas got into it, but face the facts man. The more people involved in shooting, the more influence the shooting community has, the easier we make a change to the ridiculous gun laws. Besides, more people butchering their milsurps just means that your 'moisin' will be worth more ;)

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Wow, Smellie I know I'm new here and I get where you're coming from but after reading your posts in this thread I simply had to say something. If you're going to passive aggressively rip into people for not appreciating or understanding the historical value of their firearm, and for having "poor grammar", the VERY least you could do is know that it's MOSIN not MOISIN. I could see it being a typo, but 5 pages later you're still spelling it wrong. I have to say from an objective point of view it doesn't seem like you take the history as seriously as you do belittling other "lesser" forum members.

I checked this thread because I love my bubba'd Polish M44 and I like reading about mosin nagants. Now I feel like just because the rifle I bought was painted black at some point (which actually looks surprisingly nice) and had the bayonet removed, everybody's going to treat me like some kind of leper. I don't want you to think I'm trying to derail this thread or troll or anything but I see a few people quietly supporting the OP and no one really speaking out. Lots of people are new to this scene, myself included, and encountering hostility in the face of innocent curiosity isn't the type of thing that will encourage more people to get into the shooting sports. Maybe you'd rather no more bubbas got into it, but face the facts man. The more people involved in shooting, the more influence the shooting community has, the easier we make a change to the ridiculous gun laws. Besides, more people butchering their milsurps just means that your 'moisin' will be worth more ;)

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All the flaming is uncalled for.

The mosin is a cheap rifle that can be marginally improved by tinkering. These are far from rare and will remain so for a long long time. They were never free floated either. Far from from it. They have always been intended to be in contact with the hand guard for virtually the entire length of the barrel. The barrels are too thin to benefit from free floating under constant fire conditions.

Jeeze.

Buy it, cut it, paint it, throw it around, and learn from it.

I would suggest buying two - a hex receiver to keep and shoot as is, and a war time round receiver to learn and tinker with.
 
You really do see the same thing over and over if you hang around forums for a while. Oh dear, I think I hear a sportered arisaka crying.Excuse me gents, duty calls.
 
When Century was still in Canada I got a MN barreled action for $14.99, and an M44 stock for another $14.99, cut the barrel off to 22 inches with a hacksaw and bought a B-Square mount and a Chinese LER scope and built my own scout rifle.

The mount and scope cost at least 3 times the price of the rifle, but for $225.00 or so I had something unique. And I was guilt free.

Killed three bears with that gun before I sold it.


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I can't believe my luck.I found a Long branch in the wrap.I plan on magna-porting it. cutting the mag to three.and shorting the barrel by 5 inches.I will put a tri- rail on it so I can put a "flashlight" Laser pointer and a spam-can opener.on it.I might even add a do-mahickey and a thingamabob.I was sure glad that back in the 70'sI was able to get enough Mauser's to re-bar the foundation of my garage.Why can't we let old rifles spend the rest of time slowly appreciating in value?
 
Yes, Moisins (I spell it that way because (a) that is how it sounds and (b) all the books from the period in which it was a new rifle spell it that way) are cheap and common.

Hundred bucks, hundred and a half at most.

I remember them at $8.50.

Guys, I am NOT all that ancient. There are lots of guys on here older than myself, but I can remember:

Kar 43s at $60, unfired.

Garands at $65, good and clean, decent bores.

Gew 41M at $75, very nice condition: museum grade.

Gew 41W at $75: museum grade.

Borchardt outfit, cased, complete except for the dummy mag, $750: looked like a new gun, Ludwig Loewe, first contract.

Racks and racks and racks of Kar98ks at $27.50, take your pick, all matching, all unfired.

Winchester 66s at $100, serviceable. Indian guns an extra $25 if genuine.

Winchester 86s at $25 but, for that money, a good bore was necessary. Big Fifty (.50-110) ran about $45 because rare even then.

Whitney-Kennedys at $35: no interest in them.

Mannlicher 1888s and 1888/90s at $12.50 (rough): curiosities only.

Number 4 Mark 1*(T) cased w/e, near-new, $75.

Webley Mark Is at $16 because they were rare, Mark VI at $14.99 because they were better guns, all 95% finish or better.

Enfield .476 revolvers at $35, but had to be good working guns.

1911 Colt .455 at $55 but had to have 90% finish.

Remington Rolling Blocks at 98 cents a pound: original Remingtons, mostly Spanish and Egyptian contracts, bought for actions only.

Carcanos at $29.95 a crate (12 rifles).

Canadian-marked Spencer carbines at $40.

Sniders at $6 and up (I was given my first, got a really good Mark III Sgt's Rifle for $20); had to be near perfect to go over $35.

My first Luger: $20.

My first SMLE: $8.50 from Simpson's-Sears mail-order.

My first Number 4 target rifle: $10.66, no tax, either.

My father could remember racks of Sharps heavy-barrel buffalo guns at $3 because no buffalo and no ammo.

What are the prices on those same relics today?

The reasons are three: limited supply, rising demand, unlimited Bubbas.

'Nuff said.
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