tylerjwitty
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338 marlin express isn't too far behind it.
imo it seems that it costs more then its worth having
imo it seems that it costs more then its worth having
338 federal
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Not sure what this means? Brass can be had for nothing (308 win brass), and 338 cal bullets are no more expensive than any other.
I shot a Sako 85 LSS 338F for 3 years. Awesome cartridge.
160 TTSX between 2900-3000 is OK by me. 225 Interbonds/SST's ringing gongs at 400 yards was also fun. Seemed to make big enough holes in the couple critters I ventilated with it, but most any rifle will...make holes that is.
If you find a rifle chambered in one, buy it. Your loads can run the gammit of 160's, all the way to 250's. Can't ##### about that...
tylerjwitty
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308 can run 110 to 220 don't mean its smart
tylerjwitty
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110tsx 308 will do 3300
.30 barnes 46 $
.338 barnes 53$
cabelas canada
hornaday match
.30 208gr 39$ for 100
.338 285gr 47$ for 50
.30 barnes 46 $
.338 barnes 53$
cabelas canada
hornaday match
.30 208gr 39$ for 100
.338 285gr 47$ for 50
Wrong Way
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No "wow" about it.
The *practical* advantage of a winmag at close to intermediate (read: 99.9% of actual hunting ranges) distances are negligible when it comes to hunting pracicality and on-game performance. An animal is not going to know the difference between a 200 gr. @ 2000 or a 200gr @ 2300. Anyone who thinks the former is going to bounce off of an animal because it doesnt say Magnum on the box is kidding themselves.
As far as longer? Sure...it's fine...but mine was given up long ago for the likes of the 300 RUM and the 7mm RUM.
The winmag is a fine cartridge.... It does everything "ok", but doesn't excell at anything (compared to modern loadings)
bearkilr
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The RUM calibers have less of an advantage over the Winmag at long ranges than the Winmag has over the 338 Federal at short to intermediate range. I don't get your point, your post makes no sense.
338 fed 210 gr Partition @ muzzle 2630 fps
338 win mag 210 gr Partition @ 100 yards 2610 fps
A 338 win mag gives you an extra 100 yards on the 338 fed. I think that at some point I will shoot a big elk bull at about 300+ yards. for this reason I went with the win mag. I really like the 338 fed and was very close to buying one. Anyone calling it a pumpkin roller should also have no use for 90% of the calibers that most of us shoot. If I did not hunt in the open country I would have bought one. That "pumpkin roller" would have suited me just fine. Easy to find brass and bullets.
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338 win mag 210 gr Partition @ 100 yards 2610 fps
A 338 win mag gives you an extra 100 yards on the 338 fed. I think that at some point I will shoot a big elk bull at about 300+ yards. for this reason I went with the win mag. I really like the 338 fed and was very close to buying one. Anyone calling it a pumpkin roller should also have no use for 90% of the calibers that most of us shoot. If I did not hunt in the open country I would have bought one. That "pumpkin roller" would have suited me just fine. Easy to find brass and bullets.
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The RUM calibers have less of an advantage over the Winmag at long ranges than the Winmag has over the 338 Federal at short to intermediate range. I don't get your point, your post makes no sense.
Really?
Lol....and *I'm* the one lacking in knowledge?
Run the 1000 yard ballistics on my 7 RUM and the same on the winmag....THEN tell me about the "minimal" advantage. The RUM shoots as flat as my 22-250, but slams moose
As far as the 300 yard comparison: there is nothing your winmag can do to an animal at 300 that my 338F can't....except recoil more. The fact is that the magnums only show a real *on game* advantage out past 4-500...
Lol...I've owned both, I've taken animals with both, I won't go back to the winmag. My 45/70 or 450 Marlin is superior out to 100, my 338F carries me out to 4-500 and the RUM covers everything beyond that.
But hey, it's only an opinion....(and I think *some* here REALLY need to read the OP. He was t asking for your personal caliber or catridge reccomendations
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That's an interesting way of doctoring the data.
The 338 WM has about 300 fps over the 338 Federal in any given bullet weight and more if we're talking the heavies of 250 gr. and up. Not too many guys pick the 210g for a 338, I would think it's more common to go 225 and up to have an advantage over the .30 calibers. Once you get into 338 and up, guys buy them for the larger big game and I doubt most use them as their primary deer size game rifle.
In regard to calling it a "pumpkin roller", consider that MV of a 225 gr out of a 338 Federal is not far ahead of a 444 Marlin(100-150 fps), though the latter will naturally shed velocity much faster due to BC of the bullet.
bearkilr
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Really?
Lol....and *I'm* the one lacking in knowledge?
Run the 1000 yard ballistics on my 7 RUM and the same on the winmag....THEN tell me about the "minimal" advantage. The RUM shoots as flat as my 22-250, but slams moose
As far as the 300 yard comparison: there is nothing your winmag can do to an animal at 300 that my 338F can't....except recoil more. The fact is that the magnums only show a real *on game* advantage out past 4-500...
Lol...I've owned both, I've taken animals with both, I won't go back to the winmag. My 45/70 or 450 Marlin is superior out to 100, my 338F carries me out to 4-500 and the RUM covers everything beyond that.
But hey, it's only an opinion....(and I think *some* here REALLY need to read the OP. He was t asking for your personal caliber or catridge reccomendations
You got that part right.
Really?
Lol....and *I'm* the one lacking in knowledge?
Run the 1000 yard ballistics on my 7 RUM and the same on the winmag....THEN tell me about the "minimal" advantage. The RUM shoots as flat as my 22-250, but slams moose
As far as the 300 yard comparison: there is nothing your winmag can do to an animal at 300 that my 338F can't....except recoil more. The fact is that the magnums only show a real *on game* advantage out past 4-500...
Lol...I've owned both, I've taken animals with both, I won't go back to the winmag. My 45/70 or 450 Marlin is superior out to 100, my 338F carries me out to 4-500 and the RUM covers everything beyond that.
But hey, it's only an opinion....(and I think *some* here REALLY need to read the OP. He was t asking for your personal caliber or catridge reccomendations
And all of this tells anyone with any amount of practical experience you know SFA beyond what your ballistics calculator has told you.
SD, penetration, expansion at velocity, etc. all matters much more than anything you have stated. Ever seen the difference in expansion in most bullets at 2000fps vs 2300? Didn't think so, and yah it does make a difference.
If you think that a .338 Fed has you covered out to 500yds in equivalency to a .338WM your dreaming.
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That's an interesting way of doctoring the data.
The 338 WM has about 300 fps over the 338 Federal in any given bullet weight and more if we're talking the heavies of 250 gr. and up. Not too many guys pick the 210g for a 338, I would think it's more common to go 225 and up to have an advantage over the .30 calibers. Once you get into 338 and up, guys buy them for the larger big game and I doubt most use them as their primary deer size game rifle.
In regard to calling it a "pumpkin roller", consider that MV of a 225 gr out of a 338 Federal is not far ahead of a 444 Marlin(100-150 fps), though the latter will naturally shed velocity much faster due to BC of the bullet.
Same with the 180 gr accubond. I can't compare heavier bullets because factory ammo does not offer it. I can't compare something that does not exist
Not doctoring anything just stating a fact.I'm kind of tired of the "this calibre is no good because bla bla bla blaaaaaaaaaaa" If a caliber does not suite your needs then don't buy it. I hunt with guys who hunt only in the bush and they use 358 win. personally I would never buy one, but it sure works for them as they hardly ever shoot more than 100 yards.
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Wrong Way
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A quick look at your user name tells me the chances of having an unbiased conversation with you on this topic is about as likely as having an unbiased opinion on the new Mustang from some guy with the username "Dodgeguy".
So let me part this thread once again pointing out that the original poster didn't ask for your thoughts on your pet winmag, nor did he ask for your opinion of how bad the 338f is. He asked (and reiterated) which guns were available in the cartridge he has *chosen*.
Now if you'd like to go find a thread where the topic is "338F vs 338 Win", I'm sure your insight would be helpfull....but when a guy asks "Where can I get x", "X sucks, my x is better" is not really a valuable answer to the question asked
Cheers.
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bearkilr
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Same with the 180 gr accubond. I can't compare heavier bullets because the Fed is not chambered for them. I can't compare something that does not exist
I'm kind of tired of the "this calibre is no good because bla bla bla blaaaaaaaaaaa" If a caliber does not suite your needs then don't buy it. I hunt with guys who hunt only in the bush and they use 358 win. personally I would never buy one, but it sure works for them as they hardly ever shoot more than 100 yards.
It's a better comparison to show velocities at the same ranges,that's what I meant by "doctoring". No offense intended.
tylerjwitty
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and in conclusion after much debate we conclude that a gun in the hand is better then 2 in the safe of another shooter.
Guns for all
Guns for all
ok,you've lost me
Is;
Or;
First the the Fed is "vastly superior" (your words) out to 500 yards,and then the Win Mag has a "negligible" "practical" advantage at close to intermediate range?
So what happens at "long" range. The Fed can't push a 210 grain bullet above minimum expansion velocities at 500 yards. Thats what happens.
Vastly superior?
Is;
Or;
First the the Fed is "vastly superior" (your words) out to 500 yards,and then the Win Mag has a "negligible" "practical" advantage at close to intermediate range?
So what happens at "long" range. The Fed can't push a 210 grain bullet above minimum expansion velocities at 500 yards. Thats what happens.
Vastly superior?
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I have hunted with one (tikka t3) for the past three years, taken everything from moose on down with it. I am a poor off hand shot, so I keep everything under 200 yards at the best of times. 185 triple shocks (over 47 g of varget) doing 2750 are nothing to sneeze at. i have found the bull #### on this website outweighs everything else by a huge margin. if my opinion counts for anything it is a good round. remember everything on this continent was hunted at one time or another with nothing better than a 30-30 or a 303. 338 federal is a dandy,
tell you one thing it has over a 300wm.... it will never wear out a barrel.
tell you one thing it has over a 300wm.... it will never wear out a barrel.
bearkilr
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There'll always be lots of arguing about calibers, it's in our nature as gunnuts, nothing personal.
So, to be blunt, you chose the 185 TSX to keep the velocity up. Why not a heavier bullet to take advantage of the 338's bore? You can do very nearly the same in a 308 with 180's. Just sayin'.
You're right about the barrel part, safe queens last a long time.
A quick look at your user name tells me the chances of having an unbiased conversation with you on this topic is about as likely as having an unbiased opinion on the new Mustang from some guy with the username "Dodgeguy".
So let me part this thread once again pointing out that the original poster didn't ask for your thoughts on your pet winmag, nor did he ask for your opinion of how bad the 338f is. He asked (and reiterated) which guns were available in the cartridge he has *chosen*.
Now if you'd like to go find a thread where the topic is "338F vs 338 Win", I'm sure your insight would be helpfull....but when a guy asks "Where can I get x", "X sucks, my x is better" is not really a valuable answer to the question asked
Cheers.
PS: I wouldn't know about being the "a**hole at elk camp"....In N Ontario we dont shoot elk...(we prefer to shoot BIG animals
OKAY.......speshul times for speshul people I guess. I don't currently own a .338 but love the caliber. Rem and Win are generic; so simple it hurts.
You started the "vs" by making some ridiculous statements and are now skirting the argument by calling me unreasonable with no basis, other than claiming I must be bias due to my handle. That's a face palm moment.
If your reading comprehension was at the level you think it is you would have noticed I did praise the .338-08, and I like it for what it is. But it isn't a .338 Win Mag and never will be even close. I never said X sucks or that X was better. You did.
And I find it ironic that some Onty is telling me that they only shoot big animals, and elk don't make the cut. FWIW, our Roosevelt elk on the island make your 30" paddle head moose from Thunder Bay look like the skinny third grader standing on the diving board. And our moose normally average a wee bit larger than yours out there as well (blame it on the latitude). All mine have went less than 50yds as well, and I happen to stretch 550yds on real game animals often enough to see what happens when you do instead of watching WildTV and dreaming about it (like bullets not doing their job when they hit at (2000fps). But size, distance and #### like that may not matter to you much, as most of you guys walk 30ft of elevation in a day dressed like a pylon and haul your "big" animals out whole with an ATV all of 500m from your nearest road. Mine more often make it out on my back a mite farther and higher than yours.
Thanks for the insight though, sounds like you Toronto ain't far enough.
