New AR failure to fire **Solved operator error**

You may have a low opinion of the integrity of the guys at NEA but it's hard to imagine that they would post here under the name of one of their bigger retailers.

One thing does interest me, though...how many people received rifles with test cases, and rifles that would not fire? And by that I do not mean "cycle extrememly poorly" as NEA did do a run of guns which they tested with pretty hot 5.56, and then later realized the guns weren't cycling...I mean guns which came with test brass, that literally did not fire?

I am interested in this because I have heard it mentioned a few times but I can't tell whether it's a documented event, or more like the "NEA had USP banned for outing their shill account" story, which I have also seen mentioned (I believe earlier in this thread in fact) which is not, strictly speaking, true. The banning of USP did indirectly relate to the NEA shillgate incident but they did not "get USP banned".

I talk to Jeff of NEA from time to time...if there are actual instances of people receiving guns with phony test brass I will definitely take that up with him.

Most of the issues that I have run across myself have related to a batch of guns that were sent out without BCGs, and then didn't run when other, apparently out-of-spec BCGs were inserted.

That is not to say they would necessarily have run with proper BCGs, of course...but it does explain some discrepancies between "what was sent" and "what was received".

So if anyone has examples of NEA rifles that came with test brass they could not have fired, I would like to hear about that.
 
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Surprise surprise, NEA gets mentioned and the gates of hell open yet again. Never saw that coming... I'm glad NEA never kicked my dog.

Op, glad you eventually solved your problem. Too bad it turned into a troll buffet.
 
misanthropist said:
...One thing does interest me, though...how many people received rifles with test cases, and rifles that would not fire?
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I received my rifle without a test case and it fired fine out of the box. I was in one of the earlier batches and I believe they were not including test cases with those. I did get a new looking poker chip though; not sure if it was tested.

misanthropist said:
I am interested in this because I have heard it mentioned a few times but I can't tell whether it's a documented event, or more like the "NEA had USP banned for outing their shill account" story, which I have also seen mentioned (I believe earlier in this thread in fact) which is not, strictly speaking, true. The banning of USP did indirectly relate to the NEA shillgate incident but they did not "get USP banned".
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Now please don't go talking sense in an NEA thread! Next thing you'll be trying to tell us is that NEA didn't use pot-metal Taiwanese bolts or that NEA didn't ban Satain! You dispel those myths and my tinfoil stocks will plummet! :D
 
I built a parts gun for a buddy, it has a RRA lower, Stag upper, DPMS BCG, and Norinco 14-5 barrel and it has over 500 rds through it without a stoppage.
 
Runningfool said:
I received my rifle without a test case and it fired fine out of the box. I was in one of the earlier batches and I believe they were not including test cases with those. I did get a new looking poker chip though; not sure if it was tested.



Now please don't go talking sense in an NEA thread! Next thing you'll be trying to tell us is that NEA didn't use pot-metal Taiwanese bolts or that NEA didn't ban Satain! You dispel those myths and my tinfoil stocks will plummet! :D
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Misanthropist...bane of Alcan
 
Suputin said:
Wow! The vitriol from the haters has officially reached epic levels. It's like a group of pre-pubescent school girls screeching about their least favorite boys.

It's not like NEA personally f**ked your girlfriend, killed your dog, wrecked your truck and then took a big steaming dump on your lawn.

If you don't like NEA products then DON'T f**kING BUY THEM! But fer Christ sake why not take the opportunity to STFU for once. The rest of us are BORED out of our skulls with your incessant whining about a product you don't even own.

We get it, you don't like NEA stuff and as an internets expert you feel compelled to tell us that fact over and over and over again. But really, we've all heard it and we know how you feel about the subject so please, for gods sake PLEASE give it a rest.

If it makes you feel better, I am sure that NEA thinks you suck and they hate you.
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Well to be fair, you do have a financial relationship with NEA, which makes you less than fair and balanced.
 
misanthropist said:
You may have a low opinion of the integrity of the guys at NEA but it's hard to imagine that they would post here under the name of one of their bigger retailers.

One thing does interest me, though...how many people received rifles with test cases, and rifles that would not fire? And by that I do not mean "cycle extrememly poorly" as NEA did do a run of guns which they tested with pretty hot 5.56, and then later realized the guns weren't cycling...I mean guns which came with test brass, that literally did not fire?

I am interested in this because I have heard it mentioned a few times but I can't tell whether it's a documented event, or more like the "NEA had USP banned for outing their shill account" story, which I have also seen mentioned (I believe earlier in this thread in fact) which is not, strictly speaking, true. The banning of USP did indirectly relate to the NEA shillgate incident but they did not "get USP banned".

I talk to Jeff of NEA from time to time...if there are actual instances of people receiving guns with phony test brass I will definitely take that up with him.

Most of the issues that I have run across myself have related to a batch of guns that were sent out without BCGs, and then didn't run when other, apparently out-of-spec BCGs were inserted.

That is not to say they would necessarily have run with proper BCGs, of course...but it does explain some discrepancies between "what was sent" and "what was received".

So if anyone has examples of NEA rifles that came with test brass they could not have fired, I would like to hear about that.
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Dweens NEA ar could not be cocked because the charging handle could not pass the sling plate, yet it came with empty cases. so how does an AR that cant be cocked make empties?. Since that is impossible the only other possibility is that the empties came from some other rifle.
 
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mg4201 , you are undoubtedly a true troll, unfortunately if you at this stage still think I'm Dave , you cant be the sharpest tool in the shed either.

Sorry, but I'm just pointing out the obvious.
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Even if you are not Dave, you claim to be an agent for NEA " I'm new , but Ive had an interesting couple of reads regarding NEA.

Before I get accused of hiding something , let me state that I with my partners are one of their newer agents."

So you can hardly be described as a nuetral third party. In fact you have a financial stake in NEA as one of their dealers. I appreciate the personal insult though, it serves to illustrate your character. And you can call me what you want, no one has ever sent one of the products that I make back due to crap quality.
 
mg4201 said:
Even if you are not Dave, you claim to be an agent for NEA " I'm new , but Ive had an interesting couple of reads regarding NEA.

Before I get accused of hiding something , let me state that I with my partners are one of their newer agents."

So you can hardly be described as a nuetral third party. In fact you have a financial stake in NEA as one of their dealers. I appreciate the personal insult though, it serves to illustrate your character. And you can call me what you want, no one has ever sent one of the products that I make back due to crap quality.
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Meh.

The issue was, that you have on more than one occasion, accused me of being Dave, nothing else.

Now that its eventually dawned on you, that its a distinct possibility that I'm not, you start back peddling and throw out new accusations.

Please point out where I ever claimed to be a "neutral third party".

Grow up and accept that you were wrong.
 
FrankH said:
Meh.

The issue was, that you have on more than one occasion, accused me of being Dave, nothing else.

Now that its eventually dawned on you, that its a distinct possibility that I'm not, you start back peddling and throw out new accusations.

Please point out where I ever claimed to be a "neutral third party".

Grow up and accept that you were wrong.
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I don't know about new accusations because I don't see any accustations in my post. You are the one who claimed to be an agent for NEA, I was just quoting you. Here you go, I was wrong you are not Dave from NEA, but you are an agent for NEA, which means that you have a financial interest in all of this. You don't see me resorting to personal insults even though I disagree with you.
 
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mg4201 said:
Dweens NEA ar could not be cocked because the charging handle could not pass the sling plate, yet it came with empty cases. so how does an AR that cant be cocked make empties?. Since that is impossible the only other possibility is that the empties came from some other rifle.
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Either that or it was tested in a different configuration for some reason...either way testing SHOULD be the final step.

Next time I am talking to anyone from NEA I will definitely ask for an explanation of how this could have happened.

I really would like to think that NEA could deliver quality guns...however they clearly need to sort out some issues, or at least did at the time the gun in question was assembled.

The learning curve for them has been pretty steep so it is a bit difficult to assess exactly what's still an issue and what's been fixed, but still cropping up on account of old stock turning up in a local gun store.

Anyway I will definitely see if I can get some info on how it could happen that an unfired gun could be shipped with proof brass. Obviously it's a severe problem because it forces the consumer to question all of the proof brass.

I am very interested to hear the explanation. Jeff (and in the past Dave) has been pretty direct and forthcoming with me. Unless he's brazenly lying to my face (which I doubt) he's pretty aware of the issues they've had and I know he's been extremely frustrated with some of his mistakes. He's a pretty decent guy, actually, despite what many here probably imagine, and most of the people he deals with in the industry and looks up to are guys known for building quality stuff...he is always watching developments at Troy and KAC and so on and is definitely more interested in their approach to guns than DPMS etc.

So I think in the long run they will do pretty good work, at least. I would like that to be sooner rather than later, of course.
 
misanthropist said:
Either that or it was tested in a different configuration for some reason...either way testing SHOULD be the final step.

Next time I am talking to anyone from NEA I will definitely ask for an explanation of how this could have happened.

I really would like to think that NEA could deliver quality guns...however they clearly need to sort out some issues, or at least did at the time the gun in question was assembled.

The learning curve for them has been pretty steep so it is a bit difficult to assess exactly what's still an issue and what's been fixed, but still cropping up on account of old stock turning up in a local gun store.

Anyway I will definitely see if I can get some info on how it could happen that an unfired gun could be shipped with proof brass. Obviously it's a severe problem because it forces the consumer to question all of the proof brass.

I am very interested to hear the explanation. Jeff (and in the past Dave) has been pretty direct and forthcoming with me. Unless he's brazenly lying to my face (which I doubt) he's pretty aware of the issues they've had and I know he's been extremely frustrated with some of his mistakes. He's a pretty decent guy, actually, despite what many here probably imagine, and most of the people he deals with in the industry and looks up to are guys known for building quality stuff...he is always watching developments at Troy and KAC and so on and is definitely more interested in their approach to guns than DPMS etc.

So I think in the long run they will do pretty good work, at least. I would like that to be sooner rather than later, of course.
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If you can get a straight honest answer from NEA then more power to you. I believe that they have a lack of integrity. Which is far more troubling than crappy finishes IMO.
 
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Actually Dweenz AR could be "cocked" The charging handle was catching on the plate when pulled back if you put a bit of downard presure on it or straight back. If you held it lower and charged it would create some upward preasure and it cleared the plate...that was the issue with the plates. I've seen them, played with them etc. As such the empties were from the gun.

I just wanted to clear that part up. Did Dweenz have issues, yes, but I am sure he'll be happy with the new firearm he purchased. Hopefully he is out shooting it now, enjoying the weekend

Ryan

mg4201 said:
Dweens NEA ar could not be cocked because the charging handle could not pass the sling plate, yet it came with empty cases. so how does an AR that cant be cocked make empties?. Since that is impossible the only other possibility is that the empties came from some other rifle.
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deckard is 100% right...

chemist, good luck trying to use logic on some of these people... they complained about YFS screws being used FFS...
 
So once again I am inclined to think we're back to the point of discovering that the harshest criticisms of NEA (which would be pretty damning if true) are more of an urban legend.

This is exactly why I have not joined in on the NEA smash train... I am pretty particular about guns and I do demand pretty high performance standards from my gear, so I am sensitive to the idea that NEA is not churning out perfection.

I skip all the bushmasters and dpms guns and so on, and if fact I think I was one of the first guys here, if not the first, to begin referencing Rob Sloyer's M4 chart, and I corresponded with him about it a few years ago in regards to some of the guns on it. I'm not one of the "tiers is BS" people at all.

But what seems to be happening with NEA is that everything that goes wrong becomes exaggerated and circulated in a game of broken telephone until by the time it's "common knowledge" on CGN it's just wrong.

Note that I am not defending their use of out of spec sling plates...from the get go I was concerned about some of the suppliers they were using, although they didn't have a lot of options to keep the rifle non-ITAR. I think they got burned pretty hard by using substandard suppliers and I think that unfortunately they can only blame themselves for that.

But it does not seem fair, or even rational, to blame them for stuff that didn't actually happen.

And it is also true that they dumped a lot of the early suppliers they had after getting substandard product from them, so it seems reasonable to conclude that their guns should be incrementally improving. They are definitely committed to improving the guns, that is for certain.
 
misanthropist said:
So once again I am inclined to think we're back to the point of discovering that the harshest criticisms of NEA (which would be pretty damning if true) are more of an urban legend.
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The harshest criticisms have arisen as a result of the shilling and Satain incidents, and NEA's subsequent mishandling of same. The insanely-heavy/defective trigger groups, out-of-spec sling plates/extension tubes, improperly staked BCGs and loose gas blocks (etc.) were reported frequently and often enough to establish that this wasn't simply people's imagination - and that there were some serious issues with quality control.
 
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