Help: Enfield M1917?

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Dad wants to fix up this rifle for his brother's birthday as a surprise, sadly there is not much left.

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Here is a standard Enfield M1917 for comparison, note the top has a flip sight & has a curve, mine is flat.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Enfield_M1917_Air_Zoo.JPG

Pretty positive it's a Winchester made Enfield M1917 however the "top" is flat with what looks like a Remington 700 style sight mount. It also came with a Ross Rifle Bayonet, Canadian Model 1905-1910 Mark II I think.

Markings show it was Canada Army issued, the ol "G.R" with the crown stamp.

The bolt is rusted/pitted so I might want to replace that with a "eddystone" replacement.

Other parts missing are

1. Body & all the nits & bits that go with it of course
2. The Magazine box?, I know the P13 British version did not come with a box.
3. Foresight.
 
Yes, the ears have been ground off.

Looks like a fun project to turn into a sporter if the bore is worth it.

All the parts required are available.
 
I put a Boyd's laminate stock on a 1917 last year. It turned out really nice and it's a shooter. If you have a good bore you might want to consider this.
 
If the bore is sound a M1917 makes up into a fine sporter. You can get an aftermarket conversion kit to make the bolt #### on opening. The bayonet is for a MkIII Ross Rifle. In civilian life they make a fine fleshing/scraping tool for processing hides.
 
I think we need some better pics of the stamping of the receiver ring. From what I can see it looks like a Pattern of 1914 and not a M1917.

Is there a W in front of the serial number?
 
I have a used cut-down sporter stock from a P14 I refurbed a few years ago if that can help, no use for it over here but I kept it anyways just in case something like this occured!

Lou
 
Hook said:
I think we need some better pics of the stamping of the receiver ring. From what I can see it looks like a Pattern of 1914 and not a M1917.

Is there a W in front of the serial number?
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Yes, for example W13623. So that means Winchester made it right?
It's the flat top that has me all confused, was this modified from an original by a gunsmith, because none of the sporters I have seen have such a top, they are either perfectly contoured like a regular sport rifle or they have the normal top of the M1917.:confused:
 
D-man66 said:
Yes, for example W13623. So that means Winchester made it right?
It's the flat top that has me all confused, was this modified from an original by a gunsmith, because none of the sporters I have seen have such a top, they are either perfectly contoured like a regular sport rifle or they have the normal top of the M1917.:confused:
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Yes it is a Winchester, and unless the barrel has been changed it is a P14 in .303 Brit.

The gunsmith or bubba never finished modifying it. The duck pond has yet to be filled as well.
 
P14 Enfield

D-Man:
It looks like you have most of the parts there except the Magazine. If it's a P14 rather than M1917 It's .303 Brit. Those mags are avail and will just fit on top of the floor plate and snuggs in nicely to the bottom of the receiver. Your floor plate and spring will just protrude through as the Mag is open top and bottom. Check your barrel and see it it has brit proof marks and something saying .303. Weaver makes a single piece scope mount that will fit on the receiver but you will have to drill 2 holes at the front and use the single hole at the rear ( the one that is already in place). If you put it in a nice stock it will serve you well as a great hunting rifle.
 
take a look at a remington model 30- that has the same dog-leg bolt as you and was modified at the factory when the war ended so it could sell p17s/p14s to the public- it is entirely possible it's one of those instead of a "grind job"
 
t-star said:
take a look at a remington model 30- that has the same dog-leg bolt as you and was modified at the factory when the war ended so it could sell p17s/p14s to the public- it is entirely possible it's one of those instead of a "grind job"
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I agree, the grind job looks original because the bluing on it is original
 
D-man66 said:
I agree, the grind job looks original because the bluing on it is original
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I highly doubt that.

Remington 30s are not flat across on the rear of the receiver, and they do not have the duck pond. Also the bottom metal is original and not straightened.

Is there an about half inch long slot on the top of the barrel about a half inch from the muzzle?
 
Hook said:
I highly doubt that.

Remington 30s are not flat across on the rear of the receiver, and they do not have the duck pond. Also the bottom metal is original and not straightened.

Is there an about half inch long slot on the top of the barrel about a half inch from the muzzle?
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yes, it's about 1 inch long, on top of the barrel at the exit end of the barrel. Where a fore-sight would normally go I guess.
 
D-man66 said:
yes, it's about 1 inch long, on top of the barrel at the exit end of the barrel. Where a fore-sight would normally go I guess.
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Yes the standard P14/M1917 foresight. It is a bubba job that was never finished. Is the barrel serial number matching to the barrel? Bolt too?

Always loved these rifles, I have no idea how many I have kicking around.

If you want to scope it for the least amount amount of money, a Weaver #1 side base would be best.
 
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