Another very good option!
Wha is the best for tactical riflescope ?
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Another very good option!
Sorry, I just realized this was directed at me.
The Premier Reticles only come with high rings(or at least when I bought mine that was the case) and I haven't been in a hurry to change them, actually I'm starting to get used to it now, but yes it looks kind of goofy.
Zeiss Optronics, formerly Hensoldt Systemtechnic, do have very fine militay optics and we have the widest variety and best prices in Canada. Will have demos, including 15-45 Spotter with Horus Vision 32 reticle and 4-16X56 FFP and other products after the Canadian International Sniper Concentration(CISC). Was in Wetzlar twice and like how they build product.
Calm yourself, options are coming.
As for your request of FFP, Mildot, and illuminated you are quite limited. Seeing as how FFP isn't the norm and is only valuable if you range find with your reticle(mildot or similar) it is of near zero importance for most. Ranging with mildots is far from a precise science and few people I know ever do it or are any good at it. Illuminated reticles are great if you shoot at night or low light conditions. Those who shoot long range and "tactical" don't do either. At low light being able to see your reticle is nice, but if you can't see the target what's the point? With the Bushnell 6-24 as your baseline, you're not hunting with it, you're doing long range work which means supported shooting positions, likely prone or benched. A mildot reticle is more akin to precision work than hunting as well. Personally, the Mildot reticle is outdated and being far surpassed by grid/tree/drop chart style reticles. Most of which can still be used to range find and often with greater precision as they're graduations are finer. Furthermore, if you are range finding you're doing so from that stable and supported position(s) mentioned above, especially with the magnification range in question. This means the benefit of FFP "any power" ranging is not a huge asset. If you need to range find a target at 6x you're not maximizing the potential of the optic and you need to focus more on your skill set, or you're running an optic with excessive magnification for the application. Making ranging targets at max power(24ish) a chore. If your shooting doesn't require the upper half or third of your power range atleast 50% of the time, you have the wrong optic for the job.
If you're looking for a "decent" optic for long range shooting and wish to keep it under $1000 you're not that serious about long range work. If you're not that serious or are starting out, I doubt you have the skills to utilize a 24x power optic nor a rifle chambered to match. The features you request are far from cutting edge or ideal for such work and are not available from reputable manufacturers in the price range you set, unless you run garbage or Bushnell. So here's what I found with little searching and trying to meet the most criteria you laid out.
http://www.mysticprecision.com/wp/1217/sightron-siii-6-24x50-lrmdcm/
http://www.hirschprecision.com/optics/sightron.php
http://4scopes.com/4_5-14x50.htm
(personally I would run the Rapid Z 1000 reticle)
http://4scopes.com/accupoint_5-20x50.htm
http://www.eurooptic.com/meopta-meo...-matte-black-rifle-scope-covered-turrets.aspx
Just over the $1000 mark
http://4scopes.com/6_5-20x50.htm
A fair bit over the $1000 mark
http://4scopes.com/4_5-14x501.htm
http://4scopes.com/8_5-25x50.htm
http://4scopes.com/6_5-20x501.htm
Lots of options there and all from reputable brands that far surpass anything Bushnell has ever put out. Keep in mind, Bushnell warranty service doesn't get a lot of positive reviews, unlike the brands above.
TDC
ETA: All the above are in country or will ship to Canada.
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Ranging is the least significant of the benefits of FFP, IMO. I value it far more for wind correction and elevation holdover, than for estimating range. After owning and using FFP and SFP scopes, I have to say that a well made and thought-out FFP scope is tough to turn down.
Nice page of preamble TDC. Justifying how you didn't meet the specification given.
You can substitute out the mildot for any number of mil graduated holdover sights if you think it will make life easier for you to meet spec. I'll even drop illumination.
So now you are left with FFP and under $1000. I'll add matching turrets and reticle though.
I'll also add Euro,US or Japan made only.
3,2,1 go
You can substitute out the mildot for any number of mil graduated holdover sights if you think it will make life easier for you to meet spec. I'll even drop illumination.
So now you are left with FFP and under $1000. I'll add matching turrets and reticle though.
I'll also add Euro,US or Japan made only.
3,2,1 go
For those that still think that Bushnell only make scopes capable of use on a rimfire.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/m-articlepage.aspx?id=3851&cid=36
Bushnell ET 6-24x50 part1
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Part 2
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http://www.americanrifleman.org/m-articlepage.aspx?id=3851&cid=36
Bushnell ET 6-24x50 part1
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Part 2
[youtube]hGBYzbnSYGE[/youtube]
As I said, the features the Bushnell offers at the price point they advertise is not doable in higher quality scopes. Good optics with good features cost good money. The Bushnell is a far cry from the big boys in terms of quality. Price point is what keeps most from running optics with all the best features. If you can't afford the best you have to compromise on some things to get others. FFP isn't a requirement, it has really gained popularity in the last 10-15 years. Many excellent shooters and great shots have been made with SFP optics. Again, ranging with a more modern grid/tree style reticle is far more precise than mildots, and that's if you use it to range in the first place. Laser rangefinders are the rule not the exception especially for extreme long range shooting. Illumination is nice but is definitely not necessary for the majority of applications for a precision system. Short of MIL/LE users they're just another feature to pay for and rarely use.
As for country of origin I'm not sure what you're getting at? The optics I listed are made in Europe, USA, or Japan. I'm partial to optics made in those locations as well, however if the brand is quality I don't really care where its made.
The end of the day, Bushnell is not in the same league as other top end optics, never have been and likely never will be. Their bread and butter is the low end hunting market and the low end/cheap "tactical" shooter market. Your FFP requirement is the one requirement that makes meeting the $1000 threshold difficult to meet, which is why you're holding onto it. The options above are far better choices for equal or less money even in the SFP format. I don't know of any serious competitors, MIL or LE shooters who run Bushnell products.
TDC
The G2 or Horus style reticles. The Zeiss rapid 1000 or whatever they call it is similar and nice. Far more useful and easier to use than classic mildots. I have a mil-line reticle and find it an improvement over dots but not nearly as nice as the Horus style.
TDC
TDC
The Zeiss rapid z-1000 should have been in the FFP for a .308 in 168gn. It's not and as such is not an effective tactical reticle as implemented. That in conjunction with the 1 inch tube and subsequent lack of elevation adjustment seriously hampers the conquest line.
Here were my two scoped rigs that I just sold. Sitting on the Twolf is a Hensoldt 72mm light bucket. Bottom is the venerable S&B PM11. The Hensold is a solid rig but I found the scdmitty crisper at 25x to my eyes YMMV. But again I'm just another a**hole with an opinion based on my experience. If I ever get into tact shooting again, I would get the S&B again in a heartbeat.
