HKG3 & variants Accuracy pictures?????

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Just looking around and I don't see anything on the HK's. I know that this would be old information as they are under house arrest for for urinating on Liberals legs. Just the same..
Who has spent some time shooting them?
Impressions?
Accuracy?
Reliability?
Access to bits and pieces?
Upgrade possibilities?
Optics / rails?
Prices of "sh*t?
PICTURES PICTURES AND OF COURSE PICTURES
I don't read so good but I can drool in countless languages.
Thanks in advance
SRSA311
 
When we were allowed to use them, they were a joy to operate. The G3 (HK91) was a typical post WWII designed battle rifle; heavy but not prohibitive to carry. The accuracy of these rifles was the best (if not the best) of their class and the delayed roller system did much to absorb the recoil (compared to others I fired such as our beloved CF FN, the GALIL family, M14). Some were pressed into designated marksmen duty by Police Agencies with a switch of rear stock and handgrip (which I will mention easily interchange from the PSG-1 (when one could not be afforded at their high price). The standard optics setup involved a proprietary clawlock optics mount that "locked" onto a built up portion of the top cover and various optics could be used.
Stocks could be the full synthetic or the retractable (which hurt like hell when operating the rifle) as the butt was little but a block. Outfitted with some PSG-1 stuff, you had a rifle for work and play and civil defence. My experiences; great rifle, fed anything I gave it, no FTF FTE and accurate as any out there. I can say the same for the whole G or HK family that I have operated (HK93, HK94, HK53, MP5, etc).
I still have the original manuals from 95 that laid out the criteria for the prohibition of this (and many more) rifles...the criteria were nothing more than farcical.
 
GALIL Man said:
When we were allowed to use them, they were a joy to operate. The G3 (HK91) was a typical post WWII designed battle rifle; heavy but not prohibitive to carry. The accuracy of these rifles was the best (if not the best) of their class and the delayed roller system did much to absorb the recoil (compared to others I fired such as our beloved CF FN, the GALIL family, M14)....
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I don't really agree with much of the above. The G3 weighed only slightly more than the FAL, but with the blocky receiver and all the weight in the barrel and bolt assembly it felt far clumsier in my hands. Ergonomics were poor-ish, particularly the charging handle, which was small, required great force to operate and was hung way out at the end of the handguard so you had to reach way out to find it. And above all, the recoil. The heavy bolt assembly crashed into the back of the receiver so hard you felt like your fillings would be jarred loose. I once shot 300 rounds through a G3 in an afternoon and the rest of the day I had a headache and felt slightly dizzy and nauseous, in retrospect I think I was punch drunk from the recoil. My experiences with the FAL were nothing like that.
 
BattleRife said:
I don't really agree with much of the above. The G3 weighed only slightly more than the FAL, but with the blocky receiver and all the weight in the barrel and bolt assembly it felt far clumsier in my hands. Ergonomics were poor-ish, particularly the charging handle, which was small, required great force to operate and was hung way out at the end of the handguard so you had to reach way out to find it. And above all, the recoil. The heavy bolt assembly crashed into the back of the receiver so hard you felt like your fillings would be jarred loose. I once shot 300 rounds through a G3 in an afternoon and the rest of the day I had a headache and felt slightly dizzy and nauseous, in retrospect I think I was punch drunk from the recoil. My experiences with the FAL were nothing like that.
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Ahhh; our memories tend to warp as we age... hehe
 
Wow! I love it! Two completely different views! I have "heard" that they are heavy on the recoil. I have read some other sites originating in the States I think. The funny part is that they gave the exact same results. Compared to the FN & M14... Great rifles, so so rifles...
Have you two been bloging in the States?! tooooo funny.
Still looking for some pictures.
By the way, for those who haven't looked. The bayonet for the G3 mounts above the barrel. Neat!
SRSA311
 
Evil_Edie said:
is any variant or derivative of the G3 available here in canada?
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Without a 12.x license, the closest thing to a G3 that you can purchase is the HK SL7. In outward appearance, the SL7 it is quite different, but internally it uses the same roller-delayed action as the G3 and it sports the same HK drum sights.

The original run of SL7's had 17.7" barrels, which made them restricted in Canada; however, Century imported some with 19" barrels, which makes them non-restricted.

http://remtek.com/arms/hk/civ/sl/sl.htm

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Thanks for the pics stickhunter. GREAT link.
The first thing I noticed was the movement of the cocking handle from way out front on the left to right at the back on the right. Interesting change.
SRSA311
 
I own a H&K 770 which operates on the same roller action as the G3. Its ultimately a G3 in a sporting body. Most accurate semi 308 I've ever fired. And in all honesty its the lightest kicking 308 I've handled. The only downside I can say about this rifle is that the spent rifle casings really fly...a good 9-10 feet away...so make sure no one is standing around!
 
BrassOnRails said:
I own a H&K 770 which operates on the same roller action as the G3. Its ultimately a G3 in a sporting body. Most accurate semi 308 I've ever fired. And in all honesty its the lightest kicking 308 I've handled. The only downside I can say about this rifle is that the spent rifle casings really fly...a good 9-10 feet away...so make sure no one is standing around!
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The Old Man has one. Thing of beauty. But the price! I saw one on the shelf at WSS a few years back and nearly wet my pants!
 
BattleRife said:
9-10 feet? Phfftt. The couple of G3s I have had the opportunity to exercise attained 15 meters without any trouble at all.
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I believe it! On the 180g ammo it REALLY goes the distance! Good luck reloading those cases though! Every roller action HK I've seen has a nasty habit of denting the brass on ejection. But like any HK it only deserves straight from the factory ammo :D
 
Fired one in Michigan that belonged to a friend. Well, it was a PTR-91. Not particularly comfortable but they sure were fun! Hit the gong out at 200 meters with pretty much every shot.

My uncle is Grandfathered 12.5 among other things and has an HK-91 which I've held and disassembled a few times. Interesting piece of equipment, I'd own one of I could. Sadly, of course, I've never fired his.
 
BattleRife said:
I don't really agree with much of the above. The G3 weighed only slightly more than the FAL, but with the blocky receiver and all the weight in the barrel and bolt assembly it felt far clumsier in my hands. Ergonomics were poor-ish, particularly the charging handle, which was small, required great force to operate and was hung way out at the end of the handguard so you had to reach way out to find it. And above all, the recoil. The heavy bolt assembly crashed into the back of the receiver so hard you felt like your fillings would be jarred loose. I once shot 300 rounds through a G3 in an afternoon and the rest of the day I had a headache and felt slightly dizzy and nauseous, in retrospect I think I was punch drunk from the recoil. My experiences with the FAL were nothing like that.
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Holy gawd Nancy:eek:
 
My dad used one in combat on different occasions somewhere in Latin America. From what I remember, he used to say it was unstoppable. It kicked a little more than the FAL and was a little less comfortable to use but that he had the choice of which of them to carry and that he never gave it a thought, he chose the G3. He said he was not at ease with the FAL after having seen it malfunction in combat and in training once to many times.

I still remember one of his anecdotes where one of their night attacks had gone wrong and they had to retreat. One of his guys dropped his G3 in a puddle of mud and didn't get the chance to pull it out while on their hasty retreat. They counter attacked a few days later and where able to retrieve the G3 from the mud and it worked perfectly when test fired.

Ever since hearing those stories from my dad the G3 has been one of my dream rifles. I almost bought a HK93 (I know, in a varmint caliber) back in 1998 before the libs screwed us law abiding gun owners, but unfortunately was too broke at the time. I have now resigned myself to never owning one, unless I am willing to move out of this country. Very sad!
 
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