SVT-40 VS Norinco M14

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I wanted to get a thread started that would help me decide which rifle would be better. The SVT-40 or the Norinco M14, Can people with more knowledge then my own give me th pros and cons of both rifles. I want to make an educated decision when I make my purchase. the fact that the norinco is chinese does not bother me in the least so do not even list that as a con, the reality of the fact is that it is not a con.

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I know this has been talked about before in other threads but i'll jump on this with my thoughts. For me, it's an easy one, M14/M305 all the way. .308 ammo for reloading or to buy off the shelf at any retailer, yes you can come by the cheaper military 7.62x54 in bulk but i reload so again! not an issue as there's Norinco 7.62x51 available too. The stock options and all the add ons for the M14/M305 are plentiful, i personally like all wood stocks so that's how i've done mine. It all comes down to the owner in that you will choose what fits you best, the M14/M305 is a nicer fit for me and i can only assume the same for the 1000's of others who own 1,2,3 maybe even 4 or 5 of them as well. Just my thoughts.
 
Only thing bad I could say about the M14 is that it is fairly heavy but it is a battle rifle and built tough. SVT-40 are nice if your a red rifle collector but dollar for dollar M-14 wins out. + as others have said .308 is cheap & plentiful and if you want to add mods or to go tacti-cool the M14 platform is where you want to be. I'm personally saving my shuckles for a M14 EBR build. With all that being said a Norc M14 can be bought for 449, not to sure what the going rate for a SVT-40 is to be honest but 449 is hard to beat for a decent battle rifle. You should look up a guy named M14Doc that frequents this site he'll educate you on the platform and he'll be able to answer any question you haev, he's done it for me.
 
One advantage of the SVT40 over the M14 is that it has an adjustable gas system. In shooting both the Norinco M14 and the SVT40 I have found that I shoot more consistently with my M14.
 
Well, as an Norinco M14 owner, and have never used an SVT-40, I have a bit of a bias.

The M14 isn't without its faults, but they're relatively few. My mistake was mainly with modifying the stock in an effort to make it go from 3 MOA to maybe 1-1.5 as I read was quite feasible with the rifle. The 'accurizing' made it much worse, unless you're buying an aftermarket stock, just leave it alone, it shoots great straight out of the box. The front sight blade is wide, it could use some narrowing, but that's it. The sight base on the flash hider is cast slightly out of line, so there's a couple degrees of tilt of the front sight. A new flash hider/sight would fix that, but that's the only manufacturing defect I've found so far and I've stripped it down to it's elementary pieces.

As I've read about the SVT-40 is that they're relatively inaccurate. They also don't have the chrome-lined barrel the M14 has. Both guns have an awkward scope mounting situation, but in general the M14 has far more aftermarket support.

I know the cheap milsurp is an incentive, but there's also cheap .308 milsurp on the market (Budget Shooter Supply, red link at the top of the page). It's not as cheap as the x54 milsurp, but it's still a bit less than $0.50 a round, and also corrosive. I have a case of it and I'm not sure I'd recommend it anymore. It's hot loaded, which I prefer to under-loaded, but having to clean the barrel and gas system after every shooting session is a pain. The chrome lined M14 barrel will make it last longer. The surplus SVT-40, has been used, and even if it hasn't already been shot out and corroded by millitary use and lack of stringent cleaning, it will corrode quicker, and I doubt finding a replacement barrel for it would be easy.

The x54R cartridge does have more power behind it than the .308, but I don't think it's worth the disadvantages. It's generally accepted to be an inherently less accurate cartridge, and you would be hard-pressed to find a backwoods hardware store that carries x54 ammo, in the event you forget or don't bring enough. The ubiquity of .308 ammo in various loadings, inherent accuracy, and still being a standard issue NATO cartridge are definite advantages. Rimmed cartridges like the x54R and .303B, while they can be accurate with the right gun, have become obsolete and there's usually a reason behind that.

I would avoid the .308 milsurp for the annoyance of it's corrosivity, but I would also avoid the norinco steel cased, berdan, non-corrosive. The cases can't be realoaded, the corrosive brass, can be converted from berdan to boxer and be reloaded. All that aside; PRVI and S&B both have inexpensive, boxer primed, brass ammunition, going for ~$0.70 or less a round. I wish I had gone that route, but I'm stuck with doing tons of cleaning until my crate runs out.

Summary:

M14: more accurate, ubiquitous (and still being issued) ammunition, chrome-lined barrel, more aftermarket support. Brand new, with 21st century metallurgy.

SVT-40: neat piece of millitaria, powerful cartridge, less accurate and hard to find ammo, but cheaper milsurp ammo, less aftermarket support. Old, millitary issued, possibly worn by high use and poor cleaning.

All things considered, if you want a utilitarian shooter, that you can depend on, get the M14. If you're a milsurp collector and have a specific hankering for an SVT-40 despite the shortcomings, then get an SVT-40.

Personally if I wanted a x54R gun I'd get a Mosin-Nagant; cheaper, easier to clean, bolt action is inherently more accurate.
 
I am sorry Bill but almost everything you said about the SVT is incorrect...

Also please read up on chrome lined barrels and WHY they are less accurate then none.

PS. 7.62x54R is NOT hard to come by at all...
 
I know chrome lined barrels are less accurate, but not compared to an old milsurp that may be toasted. All new bolt-action, accurate rifles are non-chrome lined, and I know why. :)

Just if one might be shooting corrosive ammo, the chrome-line barrel is the way to go.

Maybe it's because I'm not specifically looking for it, but in general I find store carry tons of .308 boxes, but I only hear of x54R on the internet. I still think the definite ubiquity of .308 and that it's still being millitary issued is an advantage.

Jeez, cadco, that's harsh, like I said, I've never used one. I'm just regurgitating the information this site I've been reading over time.

Gently let someone down, no need for flaming. I must say my friends .303 lee-enfield is more accurate than my M14, but not as accurate as a new bolt gun in .308. I've read that rimmed cartridges aren't as good, which is why new ones aren't coming out, and old ones are being phased out, that's all.
 
Sort answer is both, however which to get first?

The M14 is a newer design and cheaper to shoot and easier to find ammo for, this is a huge plus. Not to mention there are way more parts available for the m14 over the SVT40 so if you happen to dent the stock on the M14 its not a big deal however if you mess up a SVT you will have to smash Mr. Piggy to fix it. Bill Dauterive summed it up pretty well if you want an SVT go for it, if oyu are looking for a hunting/plinking rifle get the 305.
 
Ask yourself, do you want history or technology?

The SVT is mainly for fun and history. When you hold an SVT40, you can feel its coolness (rated in Megafonzies), and that it has fired on, if not killed, one or possibly all of:
Nazis
Finns
Russians

The Norc M14 is a good copy of a newer weapon design. More versatile, easily modified, and nobody will want to shoot you for Bubba'ing the rifle.
 
I've used both..

Cleaning
M14 is allot easyier to clean

Caliber
About the same or close to each other

Price
SVT 40

Size
M14

Price of ammo
M14 unless you can find surplus.. but really cheap ammo is close to the same price...

I find they're both good for what they're but it really comes down you what you want to spend and what one you like. I say just get both the SVT 40 is allot harder to find down the road were M14 is currently still made.
 
What do you want the rifle for? That will be a good way to narrow it down.

Hunting? Target shooting? History? SHTF? Customizing? Power? Will you be walking with it? Do you need it to function 100% of the time?

These are kind of hard to compare. Both are 30 caliber semi-autos, but one is a military surplus with lots of second kind of cool and the other is a fairly customizable new reproduction.
 
I've used both..

Cleaning
M14 is allot easyier to clean

Caliber
About the same or close to each other

Price
SVT 40

Size
M14

Price of ammo
M14 unless you can find surplus.. but really cheap ammo is close to the same price...

I find they're both good for what they're but it really comes down you what you want to spend and what one you like. I say just get both the SVT 40 is allot harder to find down the road were M14 is currently still made.


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