HK45...want one? Epps has 5!!!
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What's with all the anti-h&k stuff now. Many "group buy" threads and nobody is claiming these HK45's.... what's the deal? I would buy except I blew all my money 
Best non-1911 .45 on the market right now, no matter what anyone says.
Best non-1911 .45 on the market right now, no matter what anyone says.
What's with all the anti-h&k stuff now. Many "group buy" threads and nobody is claiming these HK45's.... what's the deal? I would buy except I blew all my money
Best non-1911 .45 on the market right now, no matter what anyone says.
I'm not Anti anything. But even if i had the money for one (which i would love to own) 85.00 plus for a mag is a deal breaker.
FN Sports handles HK in Canada. However, they do not sell to end-users as they are a distributor. Most other distributors do not deal with end-users either for the record.
It would seem people are quick to blame the distributor for any HK related problems, but I can assure you that FN has dozens, if not hundreds of HK firearms in stock on a regular basis. They have hundreds of magazines and thousands of HK parts in stock, especially for firearms used by LE agencies. They can order any part that is legal in Canada, but 9 times out of 10, it is the dealer who wont take the time to individually order a few $20 parts for a customer when it involves finding part numbers and potentially waiting a few months waiting for a part that was not in stock, since the customer will usually find it elsewhere in the meantime and he will be stuck with the parts in his inventory indefinitely. The quick and easy answer for the dealer is to tell the client is that it is a distributor issue.
I am not saying that FN has every HK part in stock, but their inventory is impressive. Additionally, when they place an order with HK for parts, it is not uncommon to receive those orders months (if not years) later.
There are several gray market dealers that import HK's (HK45 for instance). The gray market dealers obviously incur extra import costs which is reflected in the inflated HK45 price in Canada.
It would seem people are quick to blame the distributor for any HK related problems, but I can assure you that FN has dozens, if not hundreds of HK firearms in stock on a regular basis. They have hundreds of magazines and thousands of HK parts in stock, especially for firearms used by LE agencies. They can order any part that is legal in Canada, but 9 times out of 10, it is the dealer who wont take the time to individually order a few $20 parts for a customer when it involves finding part numbers and potentially waiting a few months waiting for a part that was not in stock, since the customer will usually find it elsewhere in the meantime and he will be stuck with the parts in his inventory indefinitely. The quick and easy answer for the dealer is to tell the client is that it is a distributor issue.
I am not saying that FN has every HK part in stock, but their inventory is impressive. Additionally, when they place an order with HK for parts, it is not uncommon to receive those orders months (if not years) later.
There are several gray market dealers that import HK's (HK45 for instance). The gray market dealers obviously incur extra import costs which is reflected in the inflated HK45 price in Canada.
Thanks for your opinion. Think you have a case of that ^. I do agree that the CDN retail price is too high. If it was $1050 like the states, I don't think the price would be an issue. Softest shooting .45 you will find with the recoil reduction system.
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You may think whatever You want and that's fine.
All I can see over and over again is that the objective opinion will always cause some nervous reactions with the people that love talking hardware.
The very same hardware that accidentally they own.
The same goes for Glock, SIG, Walther You name it...all the fanboys are the same.
They think that their common sense was put in question obviously.
If one says that the particular pistol is the best pistol out there, one should back such statement with something more than his own emotions.
I'm thinking that to call a gun a "good one" such pistol should have some history of service and should be proven in the field or on the street.
Also if one is the best we may have another question rising.
The best for what?
H&K suppose to be the evolution of 1911 (at least according the Mr. Vickers), yet the forces that were using 1911 (MEU SOC) stick with 1911 despite having a choice of going with HK45.
I'm not aware about ANY military formation or even police department that adopted this suppose to be the best .45 pistol out there for service.
Fact that this is the best pistol in your opinion doesn't make it the best pistol out there.
Simple as that.
Soft shooting?
Maybe. So is CZ97B.
The best pistol out there?
Way too early to form such opinion if we want to keep it real.
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Out of curiosity where did you find that info?
Okay, so here's my unbiased input on the subject, I've owned a lot of polymer framed .45, nearly everything available in the country (HK45, USP 45, USP Tactical, USP Expert, MK 23, Glock 21 Gen 3 & 4, M&P 45 and so on) I've shot them all (I wont say intensively) but nonetheless. They are all great pistols, all have a little something that the other is lacking.
The only polymer frame .45 I have in the stable now is a G21 gen4. Why? It's the softest shooting .45 there is (okay, the huge MK 23 and the Expert were probably a tad smoother, never had both on the same range session...), and for the price, it simply doesn't get better than this. But, one things for sure, the G21 is softer on the recoil than the HK45, blame it on the lower bore axis, it does recoil softer and has less muzzle flip.
Finally, the HK45 is one heck of a pistol, is was a tad more accurate than the G21, from 15 to 25 yards that is, under 15 yards they were both equally accurate. If the HK45 was a $800-$900 pistol, that the spare parts, magazines and mods were affordable, it would still be in the safe right now. The reason is, who needs a $1500 service pistol who's spare mags are close to $100 a piece, extra parts are very close to unobtanium in Canada? (I know you HK fan boys will tell me that it's built like a tank and that it will never break...) For $1500 you can buy a great 1911, get a few extra high quality mags, have a custom trigger job and a few improvements that will simply blow the HK away... But hey, remember that I'm totally unbiased here, been there done that, you know the drill... And if we were allowed to CCW, it would be a different story... For paper punching, it just doesnt worth it.
The only polymer frame .45 I have in the stable now is a G21 gen4. Why? It's the softest shooting .45 there is (okay, the huge MK 23 and the Expert were probably a tad smoother, never had both on the same range session...), and for the price, it simply doesn't get better than this. But, one things for sure, the G21 is softer on the recoil than the HK45, blame it on the lower bore axis, it does recoil softer and has less muzzle flip.
Finally, the HK45 is one heck of a pistol, is was a tad more accurate than the G21, from 15 to 25 yards that is, under 15 yards they were both equally accurate. If the HK45 was a $800-$900 pistol, that the spare parts, magazines and mods were affordable, it would still be in the safe right now. The reason is, who needs a $1500 service pistol who's spare mags are close to $100 a piece, extra parts are very close to unobtanium in Canada? (I know you HK fan boys will tell me that it's built like a tank and that it will never break...) For $1500 you can buy a great 1911, get a few extra high quality mags, have a custom trigger job and a few improvements that will simply blow the HK away... But hey, remember that I'm totally unbiased here, been there done that, you know the drill... And if we were allowed to CCW, it would be a different story... For paper punching, it just doesnt worth it.
Glocks have support as there is more of them in Country...been here for ever and even our LEs use em. They are cheap, and as common as your #######. The HK45 is a NEW pistol (compared to a Glock) and it is also an expensive one. Do either of those thing make it bad? Nope. Mags in Canada are already over priced for 99% of guns. With how much ammo so of you shoot...5000+ a year its funny to hear you complain about the price of a gun and its extras, those are the cheaper things in the larger view of it all.
Is a Remington or Mossy 500 better then a Benelli M4? I don't think so but to some of you guys must think because its cheaper and the parts are more common for the other two so it must mean it is better....
Is a Remington or Mossy 500 better then a Benelli M4? I don't think so but to some of you guys must think because its cheaper and the parts are more common for the other two so it must mean it is better....
The Land Rover is a nice SUV if it was $15,000...hahaha I am sorry.
You will NEVER get Glock pries for an HK...if you can't see why the HK is worth more, and it is...stick to your Norcs Its like the people that go get cheap tattoo cause it still a tattoo 
I think the Ruger SR9 is a better choice then the Glock and even cheaper...so in this theory the Glock sucks unless is was $480 new.
People want everything for free these days...
You will NEVER get Glock pries for an HK...if you can't see why the HK is worth more, and it is...stick to your Norcs
Its like the people that go get cheap tattoo cause it still a tattoo I think the Ruger SR9 is a better choice then the Glock and even cheaper...so in this theory the Glock sucks unless is was $480 new.
People want everything for free these days...
I've never understood this ^
For the avg guy on a budget a Glock 21 Gen 4 for 775.00 is perfect. For the guy that has money to burn and would like to try a more expensive "higher" end Pistol, then the HK's of the world are great too.
But, why are some guys trying soooo hard to convince the rest of the world that the HK45 is a 600.00 more better option? Nevermind the fact that the HK45 comes with only 2 mags. So add another 100.00 bucks for 3 mags (like the Glock) and now we are north of a 700.00 difference.
How much Ammo can you buy for 700??? Quite a bit.
While, i'll admit, if i had an extra 1600.00 bucks in the bank, there would be one less HK45 at Epps and one less mag (or two) at Wolverine. But i seem to have an impulse buy problem these days.
At the end of the day, who cares. As long as you are happy with what you have, why try and convince others what they are missing? I had an HK USP. I thought it was a fine Pistol and i shot great with it. If it fit my hand better, i'd still have it. Do i think it is better then my 875.00 Sig P220.....nope.
Nestor. The one and only HK Troll.
Start another thread on HK and he will be there just to S**T on HK.
Coming here to argue about guns other people like and have Bought and Enjoy is pure Baiting and Disruptive Behavior.
Shame.
I guess his Call of Duty clan is off for the long weekend.
Start another thread on HK and he will be there just to S**T on HK.
Coming here to argue about guns other people like and have Bought and Enjoy is pure Baiting and Disruptive Behavior.
Shame.
I guess his Call of Duty clan is off for the long weekend.
...and all You can do is to call people with the names.
Typical fanboy with no arguments.
You don't like to argue on the public forum?
We are having discussion here.
Grow some skin.
Do either of those thing make it bad?
Did I say that the HK45 is a bad pistol... Nope...
Mags in Canada are already over priced for 99% of guns.
You're right on the more expensive in Canada. Isn't that the norm up here? I mean, everything related to firearms (or anything else as a matter of fact...)
The thing is that HK USA doesn't want to export the HK45. They manuf. them and want them to sell in the country, all the USA made HK45's come trough grey market channels, that's why we are pretty limited if we want or need extra parts or mags... The only HK45 that was widely imported was through FN Sports (R. Nicholls distributors Inc.) in 2008-2009 when the HK45 was introduce and made in Germany. Since 2009, the tooling was shipped in the US. I've been told that HK USA and R. Nicholls wont do buisness, probably a little war between them since R. Nicholls was able to source HK's directly from Germany... And just imagine if you were to need some warranty service on that US manuf. HK45... I'm wondering where will it be shipped and when you'll get it back...
