James Yeager AK vs AR vs AK

GunGuy34 said:
Theres no way you agree with what he said, ive seen you say the opposite many times. You think a glock is a stupid persons gun?
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Kevin is right about 1911s. Too many people **** with them or run guns with very tight tolerances and they fail. The fact that a g17 carries twice the ammo at nearly half the weight with almost half as many parts are facts that cannot be disputed. No external safeties to worry about nor exposed/unnecessary hammer. Lower bore axis and magazine compatibility across 3 size ranges and integral rail for lights. These are modern improvements and advantages that a 1911 does not have.

Glocks are a dummy gun. Point and pull. I prefer them for this reason and the others stayed above. Glocks are easy and safe to operate with an undisputed level of reliability.

I don't hate 1911s. They are the foundation of all modern autos. 1911s are simply not optimal for modern mil/Le duties when compared to other designs.

Over priced
Over weight
Overly complex
Reduced capacity
Manual safety
Exposed hammer
No light rail
Non ambidextrous
Increased recoil

I don't see how its even equal to let alone better than a more modern design like a glock or sig or m&p.

Tdc
 
I think James Yeager shouldn't be posted as any type of authority on anything. He's just another goof stating his opinion, without any facts or proof on anything. Pure stupidity. I didn't watch the video and I'm not going to. This is how much I trust his opinion.
 
I've always thought the Glock's being a "stupid persons gun" was an advantage in it's designed role. If I'm ever (however unlikely that may be) involved in a situation where I need to use a pistol, I'm going to say right now that I expect to be the dumbest MFer on the planet. Frankly I'll need all the help I can get, give me the dumb gun. No thumb safety to screw up, no grip safety to bobble and no short light trigger to possibly ND into the wrong target (in my case, likely my foot). Yup, having been shot at, I'm pretty sure that if I'm in a position to shoot back (which would be a welcome change) I'll be not just stupid, but clumsy and unlucky as well.
 
enefgee said:
I've always thought the Glock's being a "stupid persons gun" was an advantage in it's designed role. If I'm ever (however unlikely that may be) involved in a situation where I need to use a pistol, I'm going to say right now that I expect to be the dumbest MFer on the planet. Frankly I'll need all the help I can get, give me the dumb gun. No thumb safety to screw up, no grip safety to bobble and no short light trigger to possibly ND into the wrong target (in my case, likely my foot). Yup, having been shot at, I'm pretty sure that if I'm in a position to shoot back (which would be a welcome change) I'll be not just stupid, but clumsy and unlucky as well.
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To me that makes Glock the smart persons gun. As its chosen for alll those qualities. Just point and shoot.
 
st1264 said:
I think James Yeager shouldn't be posted as any type of authority on anything. He's just another goof stating his opinion, without any facts or proof on anything. Pure stupidity. I didn't watch the video and I'm not going to. This is how much I trust his opinion.
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I recommend others take your advice with regards to your opinion on jy. You admit to not watching the video and clearly have not researched his bio or his resume as it relates to firearms and their use. When your accomplishments are equal to or greater than his. Then perhaps myself and others may take your ignorant comments more seriously. Until then I suggest people seek professional training from as many sources/schools as possible and think for themselves. Some methods are very role specific and some methods just don't work well at all. Apply some logic to the role for which you intend to deploy your firearms and use a method that works.

Tdc
 
The Route Irish ambush was a cluster f**k just waiting to happen.

They sat too long.
They fired on approaching vehicles, thus blowing any anonymity they had.
James Yeager was overwhelmed and forgot how to drive.
ER was poorly run with lax rules.
Medic as commander...silly.
Yeager certainly got of the "X" and into a ditch and out of the fight.

Overall, it is a great training aid on what NOT to do....sadly men died.

Yeager carries ZERO weight with me.
 
GunGuy34 said:
To me that makes Glock the smart persons gun. As its chosen for alll those qualities. Just point and shoot.
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The US Marines seem to disagree.

In a nutshell, Glock=lowest common denominator and that's what it was designed for, 1911=pro's choice, both serve their purpose well.
 
Gunslinger said:
The US Marines seem to disagree.

In a nutshell, Glock=lowest common denominator and that's what it was designed for, 1911=pro's choice, both serve their purpose well.
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Haha yes indeed. I saw that video too.

For my part, I like the exposed hammer, thumb safety, grip safety, single action of the 1911 platform. I find the shear ergonomics of the 1911 are second to none. As stated before, it is a professional's gun, and you need time to master it. As for reliability, maybe it's because I've been shooting since I was 5 or because I'm a soldier but I maintain my firearms. Hence, I have yet to experience the issues expressed by some people in regards to reliability with the 1911 or the AR platforms for that reason. But hey, that's me, I must be old fashioned that way.
 
i wish 1911's only had the palm safety like JMB intended.... external hammer doesnt bother me one bit,

but there is nothing a glock has that a m&P doesnt have, and much that an M&P has that a glock doesnt (better trigger, ergonomics)

james Y may be a good shooter, but I dont trust his tactics, and his reasoning is out to lunch on lots of stuff
 
Happypillz said:
I can understand his reasoning and I do like to watch his stuff, some stuff does make a lot of sense but he is not always right. As for the AK vs AR yes I think it makes a lot of sense. AR and AK is a moot point since most people will never be in a real combat situation passed 100 yards. As for the 1911 suck, its a yes and no, I had a para ord 40 cal (which he hates as well)and fired off close to 10k rounds through it and I had never an issue with it and I was doing IPSC training with that gun as well so I put almost 700 rounds in three days through it with out any malfunctions.
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exactly, and for those of us that might engage a target at over 100m it shouldn't matter as it will be section fire and not an individual rifleman trying to pick off the target anyways.
 
Old Friend said:
The Route Irish ambush was a cluster f**k just waiting to happen.

They sat too long.
They fired on approaching vehicles, thus blowing any anonymity they had.
James Yeager was overwhelmed and forgot how to drive.
ER was poorly run with lax rules.
Medic as commander...silly.
Yeager certainly got of the "X" and into a ditch and out of the fight.

Overall, it is a great training aid on what NOT to do....sadly men died.

Yeager carries ZERO weight with me.
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I just finished reading the AAR and watched the video as linked from the AR15.com link. No where did it say they fired on anything until after they came under fire in the ambush. What blew their cover was sitting idle for so long sticking out like a sore thumb(spread out of 300-400 meters well back from the rest of idle traffic. James Yeager did fire on an approaching vehicle but that was well after the initial contact. One of the team members did use his scoped rifle to view a suspicious vehicle but did not fire.

My take on Yeager is he's just trying to get a reaction. He definitely messed up in Iraq but was not the only person at fault that day. Everything he did after stalling the car was in ok for the most part. He comes off as a douche but I really dont think he deserves all of the criticism he gets. I find his video's entertaining if nothing else.

But that just my inexperienced opinion, take it for what its worth. :)
 
GIGGIDY said:
What blew their cover was sitting idle for so long sticking out like a sore thumb(spread out of 300-400 meters well back from the rest of idle traffic. James Yeager did fire on an approaching vehicle but that was well after the initial contact. One of the team members did use his scoped rifle to view a suspicious vehicle but did not fire.
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They were keeping a bubble and firing warning shots like they were hi pro. This was prior to the contact.
 
re: Kevin B

Totally agree with the US mil example. those were known as nice loose tolerance rigs. He has a follow up video explaining that the US mil used gun put together by human hands. The 1911's he's referring to are the factory punch outs. I think the most important part of this whole discussion is that we think critically about not only what people like JY and Kyle Lamb and all these other expert cats say, but also the experiences of those around us. My firearms coach has told me that he was a big 1911 fan until one day he just got bored of it all and wanted something simple that always went bang and needed little maintenance. He reckoned there was just so much going on with 1911's. Also he had to do a stress drill where you had to reassemble your pistol then shoot and his recoil spring guide went flying. IMO that's a legit excuse.

As for me I'm just a terrible shooter. There are days I couldn't hit water if i fell out of a boat. So I need the dummy boy gun.

That course experience sounds bad ass. I'm keen to check it out myself on a upcoming vaycay down in the dirty south. What brand of 1911 did you carry in Iraq? Thank you for your well experienced opinion. this forum is getting more and more cordial by the week.

-chris
 
GIGGIDY said:
My take on Yeager is he's just trying to get a reaction. He definitely messed up in Iraq but was not the only person at fault that day. Everything he did after stalling the car was in ok for the most part. He comes off as a douche but I really dont think he deserves all of the criticism he gets. I find his video's entertaining if nothing else.
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With regard to his experience in Iraq it's really hard to pass judgement until you're put into the situation, everyone has the potential to screw up when the SHTF, I don't think we can judge.

So far as being a douche, let's first take into consideration his business and target audience before we label him. How many "operators" require his training, probably not a lot. If you're going to be successful it's smart business to target the largest segment of the market, the "preppers". Let's be honest the vast majority of guys doing these courses don't need the training for their daily jobs nor their daily encounters, they do it for fun and "just in case" much like a first aid course. The majority of guys also happen to shoot Glocks, so why not pump them up with a pro Glock video, truth is most professionals don't really care weather it Glock/Sig/1911/CZ ect., they make it work. Same goes for his "prepping" why not appeal to those guys while we're at it. Wrap this up in an attitude that's controversial and you reach far more people than a toned down "professional" piece, just look at the exposure he's gotten in this thread alone.

No me thinks Mr. Yeager is a smarter cookie than we give him credit for. ;)
 
c0ntract said:
The guys that are slamming him are not all teenagers, the tanks next to their names means the site has vetted their credentials as having military service. He gets most of the heat from the incident in Iraq where his incompetence contributed to several people dying in a firefight (I am paraphrasing).

Just saying, I think the guy comes off as a douche bag as well. He may have some good points but he majority of his opinions sound like he is trying to be outrageous in an attempt at creating a personality rather than hashing out a valid point (like Don Cherry).
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Fixed that for you.

If you're gonna talk the talk, you best as fuhk be ready to walk the walk!


Therein lies my beef. Guy is incompetent, but does the whole "please look beyond that major incident and still treat me like the god of tacticool"... I'm pretty sure that's the underlying issue for 99% of the guys here...
 
AR 15 operator jargon and what-have-you is all Greek to me. From what little I have translated, it appears to be mostly tactical elitists who should probably stick to paintball.
 
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