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Alright so, I wasn't really planning on buying a 1911 anytime soon, but what seems like a great deal has landed upon my lap

I could have a colt 1911 gold cup, I think national match, stainless, 3 mags and all original stuff, for 1000$ cash

It wasn't used that much, maybe 3-5 boxes of ammo through it.

Is that a good deal ? monetarily I wasn't really planning it, so it would have to be an awesome deal for me to justify it to myself, as I just, JUST got my Glock 17 and 500 rounds of ammunition haha

Any input appreciated, I'm gonna go see it tomorrow and get more details
 
If you decide to pass, PM me his contact info. That's my input :)

Seriously though, they go for about 1500-1600 new in Canadia so if it's in anything resembling good shape, it's theft.
 
Good deal. I sold mine for $1100. New Gold Cup National Matches go for around $1350+/- a few $$. New Gold Cup Trophy's in stainless are around $1450-1500.
 
I'm just usually more of a black gun type of guy (I LOVE my G17, been finger f****ng it ever since I got it home 2 hours ago haha), stainless would be a very weird thing to me.

Regardless, I'll go lay my dirty Glock hands on it tomorrow and see what happens.

I've never really bought used guns (honestly, my G17 is my first gun...) so anything I should be looking for on this 1911 ? I know Colts, especially gold cups, are pretty high end in the non-custom world, but that about ends my 1911 knowledge hehe
 
Whats the difference between series 80 / series 70 ?

Shamelessly stolen from 1911 forum

Colt is the original manufacturer of 1911 pattern pistols, having made versions for both the military as well as commercial market since regular production began in January 1912. The commercial versions were nearly identical to the military ones, differing only in markings and finish. Following World War Two military production ended, but the commercial guns remained in production with only minor changes such as deletion of the lanyard loop and a larger thumb safety shelf. These pistols are known to collectors as "pre-Series 70" guns, as they pre-dated the Series 70 guns introduced in 1970. It was during this year that Colt introduced the first major design change to the Government Model in nearly 50 years. In an attempt to improve the accuracy of production guns the barrel bushing was redesigned, along with the barrel. In this system the bushing utilized four spring-steel "fingers" that gripped the enlarged diameter of the muzzle end of the barrel as the gun returned to battery. By tightening the fit of barrel and bushing in this manner Colt was able to improve the accuracy of the average production gun, without going through the expense of hand fitting the older solid barrel bushing to the barrel and slide. Models using the new barrel/bushing setup were the Government Model and Gold Cup, which were designated the "Mark IV Series 70" or simply Series 70 pistols. It should be noted that the shorter 4 1/4" barreled Commander pistols retained the use of the older solid bushing design and thus were never designated Series 70 pistols, although one hears the term erroneously applied to Commanders from time to time. The new "collet" bushing (as it came to be known) generally worked quite well, however it was occasionally prone to breakage (see post #3 below) so it was eventually phased out around 1988 as Colt reverted back to using the solid bushing in all of their pistols.

The single biggest change to the 1911 design came about in 1983, when Colt introduced the "MK IV Series 80" pistols. These guns incorporated a new firing pin block safety system, where a series of internal levers and a plunger positively blocked the firing pin from moving until the trigger was pressed, thus eliminating the possibility of the gun discharging if dropped onto a hard surface or struck hard. In this instance however, ALL of Colt's 1911-pattern pistols incorporated the new design change so even the Commander and Officer's ACP pistols became known as Series 80 guns. With the previous paragraph in mind, it is important to know that from 1983 until 1988 the early Government Model and Gold Cup Series 80 pistols used the Series 70-type barrel and bushing as well, although they were known only as Series 80 guns.

There was one other design change made to the Series 80 guns as well, and that was a re-designed half-#### notch. On all models the notch was changed to a flat shelf instead of a hook, and it is located where half-#### is engaged just as the hammer begins to be pulled back. This way the half-#### notch will still perform its job of arresting the hammer fall should your thumb slip while manually cocking the pistol, yet there is no longer a hook to possibly break and allow the hammer to fall anyway. With the notch now located near the at-rest position, you can pull the trigger on a Series 80 while at half-#### and the hammer WILL fall. However, since it was already near the at-rest position the hammer movement isn't sufficient to impact the firing pin with any amount of force.

Regarding the "clone" guns (1911-pattern pistols made by manufacturers other than Colt), so far Para-Ordnance, SIG, Auto Ordnance, Remington, and Taurus have adopted Colt's Series 80 or a similar firing pin block system as well. Kimber's Series II pistols and most models of S&W 1911s have a FP safety also, but it is a different system than Colt's and is disabled by depressing the grip safety. No manufacturers aside from Colt ever adopted the Series 70 collet bushing/barrel arrangement, so technically there are no "Series 70" clone guns. What this means is that design-wise most of them share commonality with the pre-Series 70 guns, using neither the firing pin block NOR the collet bushing. Because of this it is important to remember that only Colt Series 80 models, and a couple of "clone" 1911 makers use a firing pin block. Older Colts and most other clone guns lack a firing pin safety and can possibly discharge if there is a round in the chamber and the gun is dropped on a hard surface, or if struck a blow hard enough to allow the firing pin to jump forward and impact the primer of the loaded round. Typically, use of an extra-power firing pin return spring and/or a titanium firing pin will significantly improve safety in these older designs. By the way, for the past decade Colt has been producing new pistols out of their Custom Shop that lack the S80 firing pin safety. These are the Gunsite and CCO models, WW1 and WW2 GI replicas, and a reintroduced original-style Series 70 in both blued and stainless steel that should appeal to 1911 purists. Interestingly, all of these use a solid barrel bushing, so mechanically they are more similar to the original pre-Series 70 models despite being advertised by Colt as having a "Series 70 firing system".

Regarding the controversy involving getting a decent trigger pull on a Series 80 gun, it is only of importance if the gunsmith attempts to create a super-light pull (under four pounds) for target or competition use. In defense/carry guns where a four-pound or heavier pull is necessary, the added friction of the Series 80 parts adds little or nothing to the pull weight or feel. A good gunsmith can do an excellent trigger job on a Series 80 and still leave all the safety parts in place, although he will probably charge a little more than if the gun were a Series 70 since there are more parts to work with. But any gunsmith who tells you that you can't get a good trigger on a Series 80 without removing the safety parts is likely either lazy or incompetent.
 
"occasionally prone to breakage" & CGCNM 1911 barrel bushings and Beretta 92F's slide failures: both common myths. The Beretta myth began when the US Army was testing the Beretta 92F pistol for their new service pistol after abandoning the 1911. The 92F slide failed because the Army used hot machine-gun ammo NOT rated for the 92F. The number of Beretta slide failures was minimal and insignificant compared to overall production. Beretta improved the 92F with the 92FS gun.
The myth of the CGCNM collet bushing failure is a common thread. I have never seen a broken one, however many have reported such failures but provide no evidence. There are a ton of 1970 series production CGCNM guns in use every day and the bushing still works. Whether or not Colt discontinued production of the collect bushing for the alleged reason is dubious. Colt could have just gone to a cheaper produced bushing. After all Colt discontinued Python, Anaconda, DiamondBack revolver production for economic reasons too.
 
The myth of the CGCNM collet bushing failure is a common thread. I have never seen a broken one, however many have reported such failures but provide no evidence

I had a collett bushing break on my S70 GCNM
I think it is still kicking around here somewhere, if you'd like I could take a picture of it so you could say you've now seen one......


Re; the OP

Sounds like a reasonable (but not exceptional IMO) price to me for a used Gold Cup
Buy it and put it on the EE here if nothing else - sounds like you'll make a buck or two!
 
Well,
After hovering above it like a hawk for about 3 hours at the store (and talking with the store owner's daughter most of that time) I decided what the hell, if anything, I'll sell it back.

It wasn't precicely what I wouldve wanted, esthetics wise, as I wouldve preffered a rounded slide and it does have 3-4 scratches on it, but whatever, I wouldve never guessed I was EVER going to buy a 1911, let alone a Colt, a gold cup at that. So all in all, I'm quite excited. Everybody at the store wants me to tell them when I take it to the range haha. The guy I've grown fond of wants to trade me a few rounds of his Tanfo for a few rounds of my Colt haha.

Does this happen to everybody with a Colt ? I knew they were sought after, but I wasnt expecting this much attention. There's no way it's going to stay in the colt case, I'm gonna get jumped on if I show
Up to the range with that blue case hehe.

How much would it cost to replace the slide and the frame ? Just so I can male peace with the scratches it already has. And I have no intentions of buffing them out, I hate the polished look haha
 
I've got a line on a Colt gold cup in stainless but i'm not sure if it's worth the 700 he's asking. I don't know a whole lot about them but i'm going to have a look this friday.
 
How much would it cost to replace the slide and the frame ? Just so I can male peace with the scratches it already has. And I have no intentions of buffing them out, I hate the polished look haha

New frame = new pistol. The frame legally is the restricted weapon. You can always sell it to me, I love working on 1911s. :)
 
I find it hilarious how many people want to buy that gun from me haha

I was offered 1200 for it twice since I bought it, at least I know if I have to sell it, I can :p

I'll see what I can do with restoring the frame / getting rid of the scratches once I get it, 2 weeks ETA on the temporary ATT :(
 
The only 2 pics of it I have so far, taken at the funstore

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Haha, well I gotta keep the Glock, at 1$ per trigger squeeze, the Colt is gonna enjoy being a safe queen most of the time, until I can buy a reloading rig (still have about 2000$ worth of guns I wanna buy, plus knives, plus a truck, etc etc, before I can get into that)

Plus I already have about 500 rnds for the G17, I gotta learn the basics on something ! or maybe a .22Lr 1911... nope, enough spending ! haha

appreciate the comments though :D
 
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