Is the Dream Dead?

Is the Dream Dead?

  • Yes. Done as in dinner.

    Votes: 180 35.1%

  • Maybe. Only time will tell...

    Votes: 205 40.0%

  • No! Alive and kicking!

    Votes: 128 25.0%
  • Total voters
    513
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In light of recent events (at least for the foreseeable future), is the dream of any substantial change to our existing firearms laws dead? Especially with PM Harper's recent public statement affirming zero changes to prohibited (etc.) weapons coming just prior to the latest mass shooting.

Increased magazine capacity, suppressors, elimination of ATTs, decriminalization, concealed carry... is the possibility of a golden age of firearms now over before it ever truly began?
 
We are screwed, the only thing which can help us is to cooperate and trying to avoid the worst. AR's are pretty much done. My son is 5 and in kindergarden, I can hardly keep my wife on course.
 
I think the dream is dead for the most part. I think the most that will be seen will be the expired licence suspension.

There has to be a strong push on all levels of government to focus efforts on mental health, at risk groups and illegal smuggling to firearms. The evidence is strong and this were the problem exists. Focusing on gun bans is nothing more than a bandaid solution and politicians should be exposed as "lazy" or "uninformed" too suggest such ideas.
 
Sorry for this, Blaxsun and others, but as I stated many times,
there never was the possibility of such a dream.
The so-called "deleting" of the LGR data (if such a thing is true) is a miracle in itself.
That was all we were going to get, with or without school shootings.

I still can't believe the collective masturbation on the net in the past
at the thoughts of CCW, de-restrict the AR, "normal" mag capacity, hangun hunting
and all kind of other sh!t.
 
Everyone needs to lay off for a bit. NOT let off but lay off, we can't push for anything at this time and honestly its not the time (politically/morally/or otherwise) to make any push in our favour. We are not going to use a massacre to further an agenda, we are not anti's an we are better than them. Lets not stoop to their level. All the threads about this and what its gonna do our situation need to cool it for a little while. We all want de restricted ar and ccw etc but its not the time. Time and a place very much applies to this we need to have an ounce of courtesy for the next little while.
 
blaxsun said:
You seriously think that's still politically palatable after last week?
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It's not impossible. As I am sure we all know, there are many things that do very little to enhance anyone safety, such as the special conditions paper that we have to carry even though there are no conditions on it. It would be more efficient to have special conditions plainly listed on the license itself.
Or classes to teach about how to protect yourself, and recognize firearms.

Not necessarily a Firearms Act thing, but a change to the emergency procedures in school to help protect as many people as possible. Something like the ALICE program that is being discussed down in the states. Lockdown procedure only works if the danger is locked outside. If the danger is in the school, the primary focus should be to escape rather than staying.

In matters such as these a little progress is a lot of progress.
 
Yes it is done for a while.............. Especially in regards to our Pro Firearm lobby representatives for the most part that are leading the charge, I think the NRA is rumored to be falling over them selves over this latest evil incident. Instead of standing firm they seem to be buckling under the pressure, but that is hearsay, either way over the next few weeks the outrage will die down....and many people will go back to a rational state of mind and start thinking this thing through, as this happens we may get room to beat them back with logic and reason.

As for Obama, well if he uses his excutive powers we are screwed. What goes in the US, so does most of the world...at least the part that counts...
 
I voted Maybe, for many of the reasons already posted here. We can't let it go, we have to keep fighting. One bit at a time. I've been thinking about this ever since Friday, and here's my thoughts so far:

1) Now is not the time for a knee-jerk reaction. Hopefully it doesn't happen in the US, but that's looking more grim now too.
2) The NRA and such in the US won't go down easy, but they're going to have to bend. Expect it to start with Canadian-style storage regs, probably mag capacities too. There's too many AR's for them to die out just yet.
3) IF things keep going wonky down south, don't count out the possibility of another civil war. The US military has already been drilling on 'crowd control' and other urban combat measures aimed at action on US soil in the wake of the "1%" rallies.
4) I'm not exactly a Doomsday Prepper, but I'm looking into it a LOT more closely. For starters, now is the time to take advantage of no registration. I just might have to have more than one of each semi-auto I own now, and probably a bolt-action or single-shot for every caliber I already have in semi-auto. Hedging my bets...
5) We can't get lax. Harper isn't that popular right now, and there's always an election coming whether we want it or not. A Liberal or NDP majority (ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, so don't start!) could have serious repercussions for us.
6) Where are our national orgs? Why isn't our message being spread in the media? We need to get word out to the masses. My Firearms Journal is nice, but I want to see it in Doctor's offices! Where are our prime-time or major newspaper ads? Surely the Post doesn't censor advertising space? Are they really that blatant? (I ask, because I truly don't know- as long as it's paid for and such, would they deny such a thing?) We need to educate the public, in greater numbers than we are.

And I guess that sums it up. Anyone who wants to discuss any of these points or ideas, or the poster/chart I threw together (that I'm working on improving with CGN'ers input) in the General Discussion thread, please feel free to PM me.
 
blaxsun said:
In light of recent events (at least for the foreseeable future), is the dream of any substantial change to our existing firearms laws dead? Especially with PM Harper's recent public statement affirming zero changes to prohibited (etc.) weapons coming just prior to the latest mass shooting.

Increased magazine capacity, suppressors, elimination of ATTs, decriminalization, concealed carry... is the possibility of a golden age of firearms now over before it ever truly began?
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mag capacity-dead for the forseeable futute due to Conneticut[sp],suppressors-non-starter-ever,ATTs-non-starter,concealed carry-non-starter-ever...
 
I think the dream was stillborn to begin with. No political party, even the Cons, are going to commit political suicide for gun owners. I agree with Lector, the demise of the LGR is probably as good as it gets. We can already see the backlash in Quebec with the PQ challenging the Feds on this.

It remains to be seen what local municipalities do around restricting ownership and access, and how willing the Federal government will be to respond to any sort of municipal action (think Toronto).

Personally I think (and hope) a case might be made for ownership of rifle suppressors with some sort of licensing requirement. I believe these are legal in some countries with similar gun restrictions as Canada, and a case might be made on the grounds of hearing protection/alleviating rural gunshot complaints by the non shooting/hunting public.

But this might be a pipe dream too. The antis would probably jump all over the criminal aspects of suppressor use and generalize it to the law abiding gun owners with legitimate reasons to want such.
 
I think getting licences extended to 10 years and decriminalizing expiration will happen for sure. I also think the ATTs getting rolled into the licence will also happen. Beyond that, while I hope for more positive change, I think we will need to put significantly more pressure on the Cons to get anything more than that.
 
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