Reclassification Status on the BD38 and BD3008?

Out of curiosity, those "older" shooters who have the full spectrum of 12.X on their license; Will they be allowed to keep their 3008's as they are already prohib licensed? (assuming they have the right 12.X)

Or does this Prohib get included as something non 12.X as it's a new import (relatively speaking) and even those individuals with a 12.X are subject to this confiscation?
 
avroe said:
Out of curiosity, those "older" shooters who have the full spectrum of 12.X on their license; Will they be allowed to keep their 3008's as they are already prohib licensed? (assuming they have the right 12.X)

Or does this Prohib get included as something non 12.X as it's a new import (relatively speaking) and even those individuals with a 12.X are subject to this confiscation?
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AFAIK. (As far as I know )
Nope. The last 12.2 Full Auto firearms that were allowed into the country was before 1978.... No "new" Prohibs can be added to the 12.x classes.

Hypothetically, unless they were to create a new 12.8 class by OIC, or legislation change, to allow owners to keep said rifles registered until they died (without allowances for the sale of firearms to ANYONE else). There is no way these can be saved without some sort of positive legal challenge it seems.
 
Thanks Desert Fox, that is what I had assumed, but thought i'd confirm none the less.

...it's a shame really.
 
I don't have a 12.anything but I'd happily donate some $$$ to a law firm/org that can make a concrete proposal on a course of action that will see the individuals with these weapons get to KEEP them.
 
EME DIVA;
I'm sorry I can't offer any additional information....
I have not been advised as to what we are supposed to do with the remaining guns, I have noidea as to the class they fall in....
MERRY CHRISTMAS
John
 
It'll be interesting to see what happens when these letters start going out.

Has no one yet received a letter from the RCMP?

...I bet those with 3008's are likely going to try and feed as much ammo down range as possible over the holidays until the letters start arriving. Get as much usage out of them as possible. haha.
 
Hi John.
Thank-you for your response, I deeply appreciate it. Merry Christmas to you and your staff.
Ursula
johnone said:
EME DIVA;
I'm sorry I can't offer any additional information....
I have not been advised as to what we are supposed to do with the remaining guns, I have noidea as to the class they fall in....
MERRY CHRISTMAS
John
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In all the other countries that the SSD BD38 and BD3008 have been sold,
has there been any Repercussions/Bans/Confiscations/Problems in those countries with regards to the BD38 and BD3008?

What does SSD (Germany) or the new owners of SSD say?

Or is this just a "Made in Canada" problem made to suit an agenda?
 
CanAm said:
Are they sold in the US? Land of the ATF and the string machinegun (now rescinded)
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There was a US version; it had a closed bolt, the folding stock was fixed and it required US made components. It also came under a different name, I remember seeing it advertised in the 'Shotgun News' magazine.

Very similar to what was required when the released the PTR44 in the US, which is really the BD44, but again with US made components.
 
Some US gun laws are almost as bad as ours, the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Examples:
1. In the US you can own a repro shoulder stock for the Browning Hi Power or P08, but you are not allowed to fit it to your pistole. You are only allowed to mount original shoulder stocks to your pistole.
2. Without a special permit you can't have a 55 Boys rifle unless you have it re-chambered to 50 BMG.
3. Some of the mandatory US component parts for the PTR44 - stock and grips (I guess the German made stocks/grips were dangerous :rolleyes:.)
4. Many of their folding stocks have to be fixed (welded in place).
5. Depending on which state or town you live in determines what firearms, calibres and mag capacity you are allowed to have.
 
The reclassification of the SSD BD38 came about as when Mike went to court he used the argument that his new gun was no different than the BD38 despite warnings from more experienced dealers not to use that argument. So one of our own forced the “Crown” to order a re-examination of the BD38, you can’t blame the RCMP for that. We have several of these guns in inventory, we have had to sit on them as transfers were frozen. The RCMP lab offered to purchase two from us but I refused fearing what the results would be, it only gave us a little time.

The repercussions are for more serious than just the re-classification of a few BD38 guns, it sets a very dangerous precedent, we are back on that slippery slope, the ease of converting a semi auto firearm into a full auto. This is a position we were faced with when the “Converted class” was created and I had hoped that was all behind us.

Point of information for the new members who may not be aware of it but as a war time expedient the manual bolt action Lee Enfield rifle was converted into a select fire automatic weapon, the Charlton. (That is why the Lee Enfield 10 rd mag had to be specifically exempted as she could be used in a full auto, at the time the legal decision concerning high cap mags used in firearms other than what they had been designed had not been made). Now if a Lee Enfield can be made into a select fire gun, where is the limit?

We have received no direction as to what will happen with the current BD38 guns in Canada, my personal view is that we will be given 90 days to dispose of them or surrender them for compensation.
 
agentcq said:
There was a US version; it had a closed bolt, the folding stock was fixed and it required US made components. It also came under a different name, I remember seeing it advertised in the 'Shotgun News' magazine.

Very similar to what was required when the released the PTR44 in the US, which is really the BD44, but again with US made components.
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I remember on the old SSD website, I believe the SSD BD38 was available in 3 versions:

(1) Open Bolt

(2) Closed Bolt

(3) Repeater - you had to manually #### the bolt for each shot, much like the same idea as a lever action rifle. (not semi auto)

Having said that, do Option (2) and Option (3) pass the RCMP lab test?,

and rather than confiscate or what ever they have planned,

are those parts available to convert a (1) open bolt to:
Option (2) Closed Bolt, or Option (3) Repeater, if those versions are legal?
 
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Mr Wolverine said:
The reclassification of the SSD BD38 came about as when Mike went to court he used the argument that his new gun was no different than the BD38 despite warnings from more experienced dealers not to use that argument. So one of our own forced the “Crown” to order a re-examination of the BD38, you can’t blame the RCMP for that. We have several of these guns in inventory, we have had to sit on them as transfers were frozen. The RCMP lab offered to purchase two from us but I refused fearing what the results would be, it only gave us a little time.

The repercussions are for more serious than just the re-classification of a few BD38 guns, it sets a very dangerous precedent, we are back on that slippery slope, the ease of converting a semi auto firearm into a full auto. This is a position we were faced with when the “Converted class” was created and I had hoped that was all behind us.

Point of information for the new members who may not be aware of it but as a war time expedient the manual bolt action Lee Enfield rifle was converted into a select fire automatic weapon, the Charlton. (That is why the Lee Enfield 10 rd mag had to be specifically exempted as she could be used in a full auto, at the time the legal decision concerning high cap mags used in firearms other than what they had been designed had not been made). Now if a Lee Enfield can be made into a select fire gun, where is the limit?

We have received no direction as to what will happen with the current BD38 guns in Canada, my personal view is that we will be given 90 days to dispose of them or surrender them for compensation.
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We have closed bolt versions here, no improvement in my opinion, I would be very surprised if the manual action was any better. Good luck with ordering parts from SSD they like to take your money and then make you wait, a great gun nut but a lousy business man.

Good morning John
Wasn't, meaning to trespass on your forum, since CGN reworked the site I get lost at times. Merry Christmas.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
We have closed bolt versions here, no improvement in my opinion, I would be very surprised if the manual action was any better. Good luck with ordering parts from SSD they like to take your money and then make you wait, a great gun nut but a lousy business man.

Good morning John
Wasn't, meaning to trespass on your forum, since CGN reworked the site I get lost at times. Merry Christmas.
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The term Improvement in the above paragraph? Do you mean "Machine Reliability", or would not not pass the RCMP lab test for the 3 options available? Sorry, the one word threw me for a loop!
 
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