My NEA is broken....I should have listened

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jdman:

I think you are looking for a conspiracy where none exists. That bolt is clearly not right and nobody is defending that. It was almost certainly improperly heat treated. But that does not mean the rest of the rifle is a lemon. A new bolt that isn't faulty should have the shooter back in business in this case. If a second bolt were to fail, then I suspect the OP should attempt a full refund from the mfgr.
 
claven i ask you again, please point to the thread here on CGN where it has this same issue with another manufactures bolt?

I can think of 2 separate incidents of this happening in the last 2 weeks. How many others who are fanboys have quietly sent theirs back, for fear of the i told you so's?

I applaud the Op for being so brave. im sorry but it is not just this issue, maybe you have forgotten almost every other component of an NEA rifle has been riddled with issues?

i highly doubt they would give him a refund, as he bought it used, and has disclosed this in this thread.
 
jdman said:
i love how the usual mods/posters say its ok, go ahead keep shooting it....its normal....:rolleyes:
Why do we not have ONE SINGLE thread on CGN of any other manufacture's bolt failing like this?

This is NOT the CF, this is real life, CGN users. No abnormal use we are seeing these failures with 500-1000 rounds fired. Zero Full auto fire. S*it products are to blame, nothing more.
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The Colt bolt which failed on the firing point next me was in a commercial Colt rifle being used for target competition.
 
jdman said:
i love how the usual mods/posters say its ok, go ahead keep shooting it....its normal....:rolleyes:
Why do we not have ONE SINGLE thread on CGN of any other manufacture's bolt failing like this?

This is NOT the CF, this is real life, CGN users. No abnormal use we are seeing these failures with 500-1000 rounds fired. Zero Full auto fire. S*it products are to blame, nothing more.
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...no one said anything about this being a normal situation, it's abnormal to be sure but the failure mode itself isn't anything particularly spectacular, just earlier then one would expect. The rifle's still under warranty so the best thing to do is just get NEA to replace the bolt for the owner and get him back happily rolling along.

PS: Most people that do break bolts are the guys that keep spare bolts. What is it that Hungry likes to say? Two is one, one is none.
 
Claven2 said:
Hardly. If anything, that bolt was overly hard. That resembles a typical brittle fracture, possibly due to insufficient annealing when it was heat treated. It looks like a fracture of martensitic Carpenter 158 steel to me, though I would have to look at it under a microscope to be certain.

But what do I know?
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Yeah, that's just what I was going to say, martian carpenter steel... maybe venusian stretch steel...

Parts can break, lets not do a NEA gang bang over it.
 
No offence intended Claven, but in my eyes, many parts of this rifle have been at one time a lemon. Countless threads of problems, and events of unsavory buisness practice that led to banned members have made me lose all faith in the company.

I know I will be roasted by some for saying this, but I honestly believe you get a better working product more often with Norinco then you do NEA. I will not buy Canadian if they can not keep up to the quality of Chinese mass production, I will take my money to the US market.

I digress, I will not be buying one so there is no point in me voicing my opinion further on this thread. Just one more broken NEA thread for the books.
 
It can happen, properly heat-treated bolt or not. It's a design flaw with the AR series rifle. With 8 flimsy lugs like that they can fail. I bet the gun would still run like that. Contact NEA and get them to send you a replacement bolt free and ASAP
 
jdman said:
specifics? New? nearly new?, old ass hand me down from numerous users built in the early 80's?
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One owner. SP1. Colt scope mounted on carrying handle. In use by an experienced shooter. Rifle not banged up and worn grey. No idea of round count. One match down the tube. Loaner Colt bolt installed, went on to finish the course of matches.
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
It can happen, properly heat-treated bolt or not. It's a design flaw with the AR series rifle. With 8 flimsy lugs like that they can fail. I bet the gun would still run like that. Contact NEA and get them to send you a replacement bolt free and ASAP
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It DOES NOT run like this. i tried and it crushed the bullet back into the case lol
 
jdman said:
i love how the usual mods/posters say its ok, go ahead keep shooting it....its normal....:rolleyes:
Why do we not have ONE SINGLE thread on CGN of any other manufacture's bolt failing like this?

This is NOT the CF, this is real life, CGN users. No abnormal use we are seeing these failures with 500-1000 rounds fired. Zero Full auto fire. S*it products are to blame, nothing more.
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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ier-blew-up-**UPDATE**&highlight=locking+lugs

A quick search found this. I have a drawer full of bushmaster bolts that broke at the cam pin hole from not being stress relieved, and a few Armalite bolts too. I have a half dozen Colt M4 Bolts that were overheated and broke the same way. I have a similar number of C7 and C8 bolts that had a lug shear off and another one start to go. They all fail eventually.

I wouldn't buy an NEA myself, but there is a bit of a tendency to pile on NEA around here. That might have something to do with it.

And let's be honest and point out here that you have no idea how many rounds this bolt fired, and neither does the OP - he bought it in the EE. Was it overheated? Was it fired with really hot hand loads? You just don't know.
 
I am not looking for any kind of a refund or anything i knew it was an NEA product going in and i will not be totally bashing NEA. if they send me a replacement fast and free i will be ok and carry on.if nea give me a hassle i will be sure to post about it. i may just buy a better bolt and keep the replacement as a spare

I DID buy the NEA lifetime warranty transfer for $25 a few weeks ago as this was used and registered in the previous owners name
 
jdman said:
actually it looks to be a fracture there before the catastrophic failure.
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am sure thats how it started

The worst bolt "well used Colt Canada bolt" I ever seen had 3 lugs missing and was still working "very scary" they normally jam as the lug gets trapped in the barrel ext.

This should never happen to a new bolt and the OP should return it
 
jdman said:
...please point to the thread here on CGN where it has this same issue with another manufactures bolt?...
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The world does not begin and end on CGN. Bolts fail. Whether people post about it here is another matter. Goggle "AR15 broken lug". I got 59,400 results - most of them on arfcom. The first five I clicked were broken commercial low-mileage AR15 bolts.

jdman said:
I can think of 2 separate incidents of this happening in the last 2 weeks.
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And NEA should have to answer for this. It's an unacceptable failure rate, potentially an entire bad batch of bolts.

jdman said:
How many others who are fanboys have quietly sent theirs back, for fear of the i told you so's?
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I'm going to guess nobody with an intact bolt has sent one back. And I'd be VERY surprised if any mfgr would accept back product that appears to be just fine. Oh, and I don;t think it's fair to say anyone who has not returned their NEA rifle is a "fanboy". I'm not wavign the NEA flag, but I AM trying to be intellectually honest - something that could/should be more prevalent on CGN.

jdman said:
im sorry but it is not just this issue, maybe you have forgotten almost every other component of an NEA rifle has been riddled with issues?
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NEA has certainly experienced faulty product issues since they started up. That's a fair comment. But the OP has not indicated his rifle had any other issues - did he PM you to indicate any, or are you sensationalizing to further a personal vendetta?

jdman said:
i highly doubt they would give him a refund, as he bought it used, and has disclosed this in this thread.
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Last I checked, poor customer service is NOT something that has been shown to be an accurate accusation. Has the OP even contacted the mfgr yet? It seems like he has not.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having spares.
Particularly considering that the pipeline of supplies from the US is likely going to be pinched off.
When I go to the NSCC, I take a spare rifle, and a comprehensive assortment of spare parts.
Needed the second upper when a scope calved during the zeroing walkback.
You just never know.
 
Personally, with reports of broken bolts from NEA I would simply buy one from Arms East and be done with it. Why do you think you'd have any better luck with a NEA replacement bolt if the same batch are used in production rifles?
 
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