Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm Accuracy Problem
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Pistolwhiptricks
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Did the fellow who's M&P 40/45? you shot try your 9mm to see what kind of grouping he could achieve?
I had the exact same "problem" with my m&p 9 when I first got it out to the range. In fact most of my targets looked like the ones you posted. My problem was however me, I was not gripping/pulling the trigger properly and everything was flying low and low and to the left. See if you have a friend who has a bore sighter you might be able to borrow and get your sights back to where they should be (this helped me greatly).
Also if it turns out the problem is you I was given a great dry firing tip my another member of this board and it was to tape a piece of paper to the wall and stick a pencil into the barrel of your fire arm, #### itand hold the pencil against the paper and pull the trigger. It will naturally move and give you some sort of indication as to where your barrel is moving when you are pulling the trigger and try to correct it from there.
I have since found that when pulling the trigger on my m&p I need to pull with the flesh inbetween the knuckles on your right index finger in order to have very little sway.
Hope this helps a bit and look forward to hearing the results.
Also if it turns out the problem is you I was given a great dry firing tip my another member of this board and it was to tape a piece of paper to the wall and stick a pencil into the barrel of your fire arm, #### itand hold the pencil against the paper and pull the trigger. It will naturally move and give you some sort of indication as to where your barrel is moving when you are pulling the trigger and try to correct it from there.
I have since found that when pulling the trigger on my m&p I need to pull with the flesh inbetween the knuckles on your right index finger in order to have very little sway.
Hope this helps a bit and look forward to hearing the results.
Hmmm strange, we are missing TDC's comments here, loll
Don't mean to keep you all waiting.
The results posted are entirely user error. The grip size is a BS excuse for poor fundamentals. That pattern at 5 yards slow fire is not equipment related regardles of calibre. After viewing all the attached photos there is a noticeable trend to the left and low. That's a flinch. The one pic of a completely scattered pattern I suspect was the group you shot last?(http://imgur.com/c4xIc). I say that because it has all the signs of poor fundamentals combined with fatigue and frustration.
TDC
Unfortunately not, he was on his way out when he told me to try out his M&P. I only fired 3 rounds of my 9mm prior to that. After firing his 40/45 M&P, he went on to explain to me how the 9mm is generally a less accurate caliber and I should upgrade to a 40 or 45 and get some reloading equipment ASAP.
When I first bought my M&P9 I was shooting the same way you are - I thoroughly intended to blame the gun. I took a PPC course, just for kicks and one of the instructors looked at my patterns and asked to see the gun (I hadn't even used the gun as an excuse yet) he took a mag with 6 rounds of reloads in it and dumped all 6 into the 10 ring at 25 yards rapid fire. He handed me the gun back and said, "it ain't the gun". A lot of practise, some instruction, and a large amount of ammo later and I'm using 3x5 cards cut in half for targets out to 15 yards. Instruction, practise, ammunition - there are no shortcuts.
9mm less accurate than 40/45....not agree, TDC's hypothese is way more accurate explaination I think, however, grip size can bring more works on your concentration, some are just a right fit and other, well you have to find the way to work with it...
Sorry, gip size is BS. Sure, a more "comfortable" grip may allow for better performance for a novice with no clue what they're doing. it will aid you only so far with regards to performance. However, anyone who understands and can apply the fundamentals will be able to shoot any pistol just as consistently as the next. Slip on grips, adjustable grips, target sights, trigger jobs, are all crutches for poor form and fundamentals.
As for buddy saying 9mm is less accurate than 40/45. He's clearly demonstrated his lack of knowledge and ability to believe more regurgitated mythical garbage being circulated within the shooting community.
TDC
That is inaccurate. lol
Honestly, you just need to learn how to shoot.
There is no reason that a 9mm bullet would drop that far down from 5 metres. You're flinching, compensating for the recoil, and sending your shots low.
Fixing this problem is cheaper with 9mm because it costs less to shoot, and there is no accuracy difference at 5 metres.
My buddy's and I run a drill with targets ranging from 50mm to 10mm. If we can put a 9mm hole in a 10mm circle, our 9mm pistols (including m&p9's), are perfectly accurate.
Dry-fire practice will help with pulling the trigger straight back, and a .22 is valuable for training as well.
Pistolwhiptricks
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I started shooting a couple years ago and quickly became frustrated with my accuracy. I eventually had an experienced IPSC shooter show me how to hold my gun (9mm 1911). Then I got some snap caps(dummy rounds). I would practise at home in front of the TV and at the range. I would mix up the snaps with live rounds and I could see myself flinch and I corrected. Regular practice and patience helps. Get with an experience shooter who is patient enough to give you some guidance.
Pistolwhiptricks
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Another experienced shooter needs to shoot this M&P to eliminate the possibility of the firearm being the problem. It might not be the shooter. If he can shoot the 40/45 m&p and achieve a decent centered grouping, why can't he with the 9mm?
Perhaps the 40/45 had an Apex trigger or other tweaks. An out of the box M&P with a new trigger has a strong tendency to push the muzzle around when the trigger breaks, you can solve this by either doing a polish job on it, shooting it a bunch, or manning up on your trigger control and executing properly. Apex sears also take this away.
Do ou have a source for this gem or is it someting you just read? Some issues were reported a couple of years ago involving lock up times with the 9MM FS. None since as far as I know.
Take Care
Bob
There are a few subject matter experts who have commented on M&P 9 accuracy:
Todd Green:
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread....-amp-P-9&p=99663&highlight=accuracy#post99663
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?3905-Buying-a-New-9x19&p=66587&highlight=accuracy#post66587
Hilton Yam:
http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=137
Dr. Gary K. Roberts:
http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1271056&postcount=4
When multiple credible sources are saying the same thing, it is hard to dismiss it as just an internet rumour.
