How would you guys feel about recieving your custom barrel with rust on it?

[coyote]

Like others have said I don't think it would affect accuracy but in this day and age we expect a flawless product when paying with hard earned dollars.
If you are getting inconsistent results it could be a number of things , bedding , unlapped rings causing stress , inconsistent loads or even something loose.
Also prove your scope .

 

[lejarretnoir]

So like the title, I recieved my custom barrel last month after an eleven month wait and when I got it I was FURIOUS! to find rust on the crown and in the chamber. I took pics immediately and sent them to shop I ordered from. I was told not to worry and that it would just be surface rust. He also said just go shoot it and let me know if there are problems.

I have about 400 rounds through it now, It seems very picky and I'm having trouble finding something that it will shoot consistently. I've communicated this and I dont think the vendor cares whatsoever. Not sure what to do....

I'm confused. You ordered a barrel, but don't know the manufacturer?
Since the vendor isn't interested I'd talk to the barrel maker if you find out who and find out what caused this. The last thing a barrel maker wants is seeing match grade stainless barrels arrive with rust on them. That will damage his reputation. It's most likely too late to exchange it after shooting and I'm sure another 11 month won't make you happier.
Is this how long prefit barrels take to produce and arrive at the door? You guys have more patience than me.

 

[AlexF]

I'm confused. You ordered a barrel, but don't know the manufacturer?
Since the vendor isn't interested I'd talk to the barrel maker if you find out who and find out what caused this. The last thing a barrel maker wants is seeing match grade stainless barrels arrive with rust on them. That will damage his reputation. It's most likely too late to exchange it after shooting and I'm sure another 11 month won't make you happier.
Is this how long prefit barrels take to produce and arrive at the door? You guys have more patience than me.

Yes, buying a Kreiger means up to 6 months waits for 6mm barrels and almost 1 year wait for 22cal and 30cal barrels.
I'm really lucky to be a 6mm shooter!

Alex

 

[timmy204]

Yes, buying a Kreiger means up to 6 months waits for 6mm barrels and almost 1 year wait for 22cal and 30cal barrels.
I'm really lucky to be a 6mm shooter!

Alex

Your buying your barrels from the wrong place if you have to wait that long. Lots of barrels around if you look hard enough.

 

[savage.3006]

Had my Kreiger barrel 30 cal the day I wanted it.

 

[cdn shooter]

Thanks for the comments, I realize the rust is likely cosmetic and how would you ever prove that it had any effect. The barrel was 6 months past what I was told for wait time, which to be fair is likely the manufacturer and not the dealer but, rust on the crown, in the chamber and in the bore (couldn't get pics) starts to play mind games with you when your shooting moa groups with it. I have it tightened down to about .6moa and have shot some groups in the .3s so who knows. The thing will go from .7 to over 2" with a 1gr variation in powder...never seen this before. I have another shilen in .284 that I have to develop loads at 300 because with a 3 gr spread in powder I can't really tell the difference at 100m. This is more what I was expecting but I don't have alot of experience with custom products so again this could be a unique case.

In the end it is 500 bucks, there will be other barrels and life will go on....not with that dealer though.

 

[skip1600]

In my experience sometimes barrels are just very temperamental.. My 300 dollar savage usually will outshoot the rem 700 that I have 1700 dollars in

 

[Mystic Precision]

Consider the following:

This is a prefit (assume that is what you talking about). Krieger doesn't make prefits so this would need to be machined by someone - where you got it from or the factory.

Most who by Krieger barrels buy SS which is pretty darn hard to rust by sitting around a shop or house. They seem to be very happy living outside with us mucking with weather. Krieger does make a CM barrel but easy enough to check.

So the question is, what steel is this barrel made from? Which division of Krieger did this come from? Stick a magnet on the barrel or put a drop of cold blue on it.

Given the price you have paid for the prefit, it would be hard to cover the cost of the match blank and any labour to machine. maybe you haven't given us all the cost info?

There is another division of Krieger called criterion that makes a consumer grade button rifled barrel. They make alot of prefits and they will work in CM as much as SS.

Just a thought.....

Jerry

PS, I believe you said this was a 223 Rem barrel? If yes, adjust your load in 0.1grs of powder. It matters.

 

[sask farmboy]

I can not understand why you would get a new barrel with rust on it, what kind of do they use now to make a barrel, have guns in my cabinet that are coming up 100 Yrs old and no rust to be found on any of them??????

Take any one of those guns ad put it in a humid area and they will be rusted in a very short time.

steel rusts

 

[cycbb486]

Take any one of those guns ad put it in a humid area and they will be rusted in a very short time.

steel rusts

Bang on. Regardless if it is SS or not.

I would be PO'd if I recieved one of my match barrels back from the feelas who do chambering for me. I order my own blanks and keep them in my hands. When the time is right to have one chambered I take it over.

Every now and then I pull the blanks out of the cabinet and give them a wipedown in the inside and outside.

How many people actually do that?????????

 

[Kryogen]

it's just minor surface rust, steel rusts.
just use a bit of evapo rust or rust removing oil, kmon, no need to have a major over reaction to a lil patch of rust....

 

[cdn shooter]

it's just minor surface rust, steel rusts.
just use a bit of evapo rust or rust removing oil, kmon, no need to have a major over reaction to a lil patch of rust....

When I started pursuing the precision game I quickly realized that it fit in with my OCD quite well. All the precision measuring, meticulous brass prep etc. At this point NONE of my rifles would even think about falling out of line and rusting! So I will over react all I want thank you

 

[Johnny G1]

Take any one of those guns ad put it in a humid area and they will be rusted in a very short time.

steel rusts

They have been in a humid area @ one time 32 yrs on Van. Island and they still didn't have rust on them, but I quess the barrels of today are made from crushed up asian junk steel and I seen lots of barrel blanks then too and they didn't rust, Just my thought's.

 

[SND]

Steel that has absolutely no protection at all on it will eventually rust, but it can take quite a while from air moisture alone, as in years from what I've seen.
Main killers are getting water right on it, or temperature changes that cause condensation on the material. This often happens in shipping.
All rather easily avoidable.


I've not seen any 416 rust from fresh water yet, though its not a fan of salts. If your 416 barrels are rusting you're doing something very wrong.

 

[Mikeness]

Man should have sent it back right away!!!! No way that you should accept rust NEVER!! I bet the machining was bad as well!!! Check the chamber reaming job, there should be no chatter marks or grooves!! it should be nice an smooth and check the run out!! regards

So like the title, I recieved my custom barrel last month after an eleven month wait and when I got it I was FURIOUS! to find rust on the crown and in the chamber. I took pics immediately and sent them to shop I ordered from. I was told not to worry and that it would just be surface rust. He also said just go shoot it and let me know if there are problems.

I have about 400 rounds through it now, It seems very picky and I'm having trouble finding something that it will shoot consistently. I've communicated this and I dont think the vendor cares whatsoever. Not sure what to do....

 

[Mikeness]

Man if the guy sends it like that without a a light oiling i do not even want to see the machining quality !! and just hope and pray he did a good reaming job this rust reflects how he works!! it is a BIG DEAL!! in fact its a major deal!!

it's just minor surface rust, steel rusts.
just use a bit of evapo rust or rust removing oil, kmon, no need to have a major over reaction to a lil patch of rust....

 

[curseyou]

Not acceptable. Name and shame.

 

[Mikeness]

man that reaming job is not very good I can even see that threw your pics( according to the pics)!!!but would need to see it in person to be 100% sure I feel with you! and the run out is probably horrible!

Ok well lets see if I can get pics up. They're blackberry pics so they aren't very good.

 

[Mikeness]

Yes do!!!!!!!

Not acceptable. Name and shame.

 

[Mikeness]

should never happen NO EXCUSES! A light oiling would have prevented this ,this is down right sloppy! and so is the machining

I'm not quite sure if got the barrel via a gunsmith, who threaded chambered and crowned it for you, or from a barrel seller? The second of your photos seems to be of a crown (so that would be after the gunsmith did the lathe work), but your first photo (the one with ".224" stamped on it) seems to be of an unthreaded unchambered blank. (EDIT: actually perhaps that's a photo of the chamber; I can't see any thread, but the hole seems a bit bigger, and perhaps the marking is ".223" (i.e. the chambering) rather than ".224" (i.e. the barrel size))

If I were the gunsmith or barrel seller, I would have told you the same thing. A bit of rust like that is very unlikely to have any detrimental effect. However I would also have apologized profusely for this, because even though it doesn't really matter it also shouldn't happen. If you were in the least 'cosmetically sensitive' about these things it would be time to shift into 'go above and beyond the call' mode in order to keep you as a happy customer.

If I were the shooter receiving this, I would have been satisfied with the explanation and would have done exactly the same thing you did. BTW if things don't seem to be working, I can easily see it taking 400 rounds before you start to be sure of this. (BTW if it's otherwise a good action/stock/etc setup, I would try putting a 'known-good' scope on it that has just shot really good groups on another rifle, and try shooting your rifle with that).

Delivering a barrel with minor cosmetic defects is not right, and a reputable gunsmith or barrel seller should be expected to make it right. After you've given them a fair chance at making good in private conversation, if they still haven't done the right thing it would then be entirely proper to publicly post the facts of your experience - don't slander or slam them, but do post the facts of the matter for others to see.

Delivering a match barrel that doesn't shoot is definitely not right. It is hard to be sure that there really is a problem (hence my advice to really be sure of this before you potentially waste peoples' time on a wild goose chase). And it is very rare for a premium match barrel to not shoot - however it is not impossible and from time to time it does happen. There are two possibilities, one is that an error was made in the gunsmithing (in which case the gunsmith ought to fix that, at his expense, in my opinion), or that there was a flaw in the barrel (in which case the barrel supplier should replace it, at his expense, in my opinion). There's no need to get worked up about this, stuff like this does happen from time to time. But it is also quite fair to expect it to be made right.