Optics for service rifle?
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The March 1-8x24mm FFP was a pretty sweet scope. It is the smallest and the lightest of all of the 1-8s, and also had the best 1x IMO. Like all March scopes, you can focus in clearly at distances of less than 10 yards on the highest magnification. This is true even of their 80x scope. It's pretty amazing. The eyebox is a little small on it compared to the others, but I didn't find it too bad. It's the same as my March 3-24x, and that has served me well.
Reticle at 8x:
Reticle at 1x:
I wasn't wild about the reticle, and unfortunately the illumination is not daytime visible. They are however working on solving that issue and are also planning on releasing 4 more reticles, including some with an xmas tree pattern. They had one of their design engineers over from Japan and he was there specifically to get people impressions and feedback first hand.
They are planning on releasing it in May. However, not all of the reticles will be released at that time.
Cost is $2100 for the non-illuminated version and $2700 for the illuminated version.
Reticle at 8x:
Reticle at 1x:
I wasn't wild about the reticle, and unfortunately the illumination is not daytime visible. They are however working on solving that issue and are also planning on releasing 4 more reticles, including some with an xmas tree pattern. They had one of their design engineers over from Japan and he was there specifically to get people impressions and feedback first hand.
They are planning on releasing it in May. However, not all of the reticles will be released at that time.
Cost is $2100 for the non-illuminated version and $2700 for the illuminated version.
The S&B 1-8x24mm PMII (FFP) is finally scheduled to be released. Supposedly in May also.
The 1x was very good on it. The reticle basically disappeared and all you could see was the dot.
It didn't seem very bright... I don't think that it was visible in daylight and the lady at the booth didn't know.
I really didn't get as excited about this scope as I though I would... I'd take the USO or the March before it, and they're half the price.
The 1x was very good on it. The reticle basically disappeared and all you could see was the dot.
It didn't seem very bright... I don't think that it was visible in daylight and the lady at the booth didn't know.
I really didn't get as excited about this scope as I though I would... I'd take the USO or the March before it, and they're half the price.
The IOR 1.5-8x26mm will be available in a variety of configurations: mil/MOA/BDC, FFP or SFP. It's illumination is supposed to be visible in daylight.
Reticle at 8x:
Reticle at 1.5x:
These were light and seemed to be well built. The tube is and oddball size (35mm), however companies like American Defense do make mounts for them.
Reticle at 8x:
Reticle at 1.5x:
These were light and seemed to be well built. The tube is and oddball size (35mm), however companies like American Defense do make mounts for them.
Yes, I remember now.
I gave in after being worried that none of these would show up in time for me to get proper practice before any matches started and ordered a specterdr. I like the look of the us optics 1-8, might revisit when they start becoming avail to us up here.
+1 for Elcan. Pricey, but lots of awesome feature and just really well built and thought-out in general. I have a Spectre OS4x, since I don't really have a use for the 1x mode (especially not for an extra $800). For that money I prefer to buy a holosight of some kind.
I agree with others that it would be nice to see a 4x magnification limit, or at least, particular recognition for those shooting with more tactically sound (for a svc rifle), lower magnification optics.
Bolivar
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Well, you can always just save your money and not get an optic at all, skip the entire season, and buy a nicer optic next year.
Or, go with what you can afford, shoot some matches this season, gain actual experience and have FFFFFUUUUNNNN!!!!!!!
IIRC you ended up missing last season due to an optic failure right? So you've been there, done that. I would say get what you can and get your ass out to some events.
BTW - I compete all last year with a budget Falcon Menace. It got me through.
Or, go with what you can afford, shoot some matches this season, gain actual experience and have FFFFFUUUUNNNN!!!!!!!
IIRC you ended up missing last season due to an optic failure right? So you've been there, done that. I would say get what you can and get your ass out to some events.
BTW - I compete all last year with a budget Falcon Menace. It got me through.
Mauser GDog
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Yeah I missed last year and it was my own damn fault for not sorting my rifle/optic out sooner. Should have shot another year of irons, but too late now.
I'm looking at these beautiful optics in this thread with envy, because they are not in my immediate future.
I've found that the only thing more expensive than shooting is building a house and having your first child at the same time.....
Come hell or high water, I will be at the SR clinic and shooting again this year.
Yeah I missed last year and it was my own damn fault for not sorting my rifle/optic out sooner. Should have shot another year of irons, but too late now.
I'm looking at these beautiful optics in this thread with envy, because they are not in my immediate future.
I've found that the only thing more expensive than shooting is building a house and having your first child at the same time.....
Come hell or high water, I will be at the SR clinic and shooting again this year.
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There is nothing on the market that would make me want to ditch my NXS 2.5x10s. Either the zero stop models or the ones without out. I've run both in SR matches, and having the zero stop is of no consequence. If one can find an older model on the cheap, I'd recommend snapping it up.
I have not compared the SFP v. FFP nightforce scopes so really can't comment.
I have used a FFP scope at one match (using a friend's rifle - forgot the bolt). Didn't care for it - I just don't see the need in SR competition.
SR aside, If one is needing a scope to help with range estimation, I would wager a bet most of that is at distance (+500m). Most SFP scope's reticles are calibrated at the higher end, so this should work just fine.
On another note, if I was to make changes, I'd do it wholesale to all my scopes, and I'd probably go Milrad at that time also.
I have used a FFP scope at one match (using a friend's rifle - forgot the bolt
). Didn't care for it - I just don't see the need in SR competition.SR aside, If one is needing a scope to help with range estimation, I would wager a bet most of that is at distance (+500m). Most SFP scope's reticles are calibrated at the higher end, so this should work just fine.
On another note, if I was to make changes, I'd do it wholesale to all my scopes, and I'd probably go Milrad at that time also.
Am I missing any other attributes that would steer someone to a FFP scope over a SFP one?
KD ranges and PWTs (more or less what we see as SR matches) are the basis for range estimation and small arms proficiency (at least they were when I was in) It is elementary military field craft...by design.
What one lacks in technical accoutrements (a FFP, variable power scope), they make up for in training (range estimation through practical experience). Much like using the principles of marksmanship over stuff like sleds and sandbags.
