$400 Chinese copy of the VZ58 (CZ858, ETC.)

[CanAm]

China has not cloned a guns in year. Costs have increased massively since those days.

It could be done, but the first barrier would be getting the design to China. The main one would be cost. retail would be near $1000, on par with other new-model guns T97/81, etc. The other barrier is volume. You need at least 10,000 units for China to consider tooling up.

 

[deckerhead]

Just buy an SKS

yep X2

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Things I read on here about the gun, the Chinese couldn't do worse.


Grizz

 

[Nisser17]

Things I read on here about the gun, the Chinese couldn't do worse.


Grizz

Come on now, the VZ 58 platform is one of the most reliable out there. 50+ years of battle proven performance. Ugly as #### but but a great design.

The Chicom type 81's are they going to be surplus? China has a crap load of them as surplus since switching over to the T97 as the main platform.
I read somwhere they were selling them brand new for $150us (wiki maybe)

 

[Wild_Thing]

I wouldent take them long to tool up and the cost would be worth the amount of sales they could have for a 400 gun, look how well they did on all the other clones they have .................

Maybe? But places other than Canada, where one could buy a Norinco VZ, one could also already probably buy a Norinco AK instead.
So would there really be much of a demand?

 

[sewktbk]

I try not to buy anything from china. I don't support communism.

Where is your computer made?
your tv?
your phone?
your microwave?
your clothes?

Yes, you do support communism, you just don't realize it/don't pay attention/don't care when its convenient.

back on topic.

 

[Youngfreshtoodeath]

Two words: Type 81.

That's one word followed by a number sequence. Not two words.

Just so you know.

Sorry, had to do it.

 

[Light]

I try not to buy anything that is made in china, don't sponsor communism.Why would anybody buy cheap crap just to say that they have it before it falls apart in 6 months if that. Support made in Canada or U.S.A.

 

[TRaTSeRiF]

I try not to buy anything that is made in china, don't sponsor communism.Why would anybody buy cheap crap just to say that they have it before it falls apart in 6 months if that. Support made in Canada or U.S.A.

Like the VZ58? With that being said, I understand what you're talking about. While I have no issues with Chinese choosing to run their country the way they want to, my main problem is that many of our manufacturing jobs were already outsourced to it. When I can, I buy locally made (unless it's a unique Chinese design for which there is no reasonable local alternative) stuff, but that's to keep the manufacturing jobs here, which raises everybody's wages.

 

[Sadosubliminal]

Cheap production in China may be on the way out. For the last several years, China has become increasingly a communism/capitalism hybrid. They have a growing and thriving middle class that is demanding higher pay. As their pay rates increase, so do the costs of production. Don't be surprised if production moves away from China in the upcoming decades and more into India or other countries where worker pay is still abysmally low.

 

[seatux]

The chances are a good percentage of your possessions are made in China anyway...

I try not to buy anything from china. I don't support communism.

 

[sewktbk]

I try not to buy anything that is made in china, don't sponsor communism.Why would anybody buy cheap crap just to say that they have it before it falls apart in 6 months if that. Support made in Canada or U.S.A.

1- Wether you like it or not, your life and comfort revolves around Made in China. Try to cound just how many things in your household are made there...
2- Not everything that is made in China is crap, far from it. Take Norincos, for example...people who own them only have positive things to say about em.
3- Even when its not made overseas, many materials used in manufacturing come from the countries you don't want to support before they are transformed here. So I reiterate, If you want to stop sponsoring communism, your way of life will have to do a 720.

 

[Crusader]

Cheaper? God damn. If you want a cheap hobby take up airsoft. When will (some of you) learn that quality and reliability come at a price. The current cost of the vz58 is ample inexpensive for what you get.

The reason our ecconomy is in the ####ter is because of the WalMart mentality of buying everything made by slave labour to save a few dollars and killing jobs in north America. If $800 is $400 too expensive for you, I suggest a new hobby.

 

[fishy]

Cheaper? God damn. If you want a cheap hobby take up airsoft. When will (some of you) learn that quality and reliability come at a price. The current cost of the vz58 is ample inexpensive for what you get.

The reason our ecconomy is in the ####ter is because of the WalMart mentality of buying everything made by slave labour to save a few dollars and killing jobs in north America. If $800 is $400 too expensive for you, I suggest a new hobby.

 

[Can-down]

If you think the price of VZ58's is high you should consider a slightly used one and stock up on surplus ammo while you can! In the end the ammo is the expensive part of shooting........

 

[antiqueguy]

If you think the price of VZ58's is high you should consider a slightly used one and stock up on surplus ammo while you can! In the end the ammo is the expensive part of shooting........

yep them eastern bloc guns will outlast us just got to have the ammo

 

[andrew3081]

See Curtton's post. The only reason we get the 858, CSA, etc. as cheap as we do is because many of the parts used to build the ones we get now were produced decades ago for the Czech military (i.e. surplus parts). Producing brand new guns (with every part newly manufactured), even if it were the Chinese who were making it, would cost more than what we're paying now for the Czech built guns.

CSA VZ58 are not made from surplus parts...all their parts are produced brand new from factory.

 

[TDC]

Cheaper? God damn. If you want a cheap hobby take up airsoft. When will (some of you) learn that quality and reliability come at a price. The current cost of the vz58 is ample inexpensive for what you get.

The reason our ecconomy is in the ####ter is because of the WalMart mentality of buying everything made by slave labour to save a few dollars and killing jobs in north America. If $800 is $400 too expensive for you, I suggest a new hobby.

Well said sir. The masses only care about cheap not quality. It is this, our own personal greed that will kill us.

As for the not buying Chinese comment. Most of you missed the point. Many of us choose not to buy Chinese. WHERE POSSIBLE! There are some things you have no choice but to buy Chinese. This is a direct result of western greed and desire for the lowest price.

Tdc

 

[fishy]

Well said sir. The masses only care about cheap not quality. It is this, our own personal greed that will kill us.

I only care about the value i'm going to extract when I buy something. If it makes the most sense to buy something that is made in China, I'll do so. If it makes more sense to buy North American or elsewhere, I'll do so as well. I'm not gonna go out of my way to buy Canadian if it doesn't make the most sense financially to do so.

Why would I buy snap-on, when I'm only going to use a tool a couple dozen times over the next decade? I can use the money saved on other tools or something else I need. There are plenty of instances where the best value for someone is the cheaper item that may not have the "quality" of high end stuff.

Likewise, there are many people who see shooting as a hobby and guns as "toys". Buying Norc may offer them the ability to purchase several guns for the price of one western made firearm.

 

[ted_dent]

Cheap production in China may be on the way out. For the last several years, China has become increasingly a communism/capitalism hybrid. They have a growing and thriving middle class that is demanding higher pay. As their pay rates increase, so do the costs of production. Don't be surprised if production moves away from China in the upcoming decades and more into India or other countries where worker pay is still abysmally low.

Remember all the stores that sold everything for a dollar. Except for the chain store versions like Dollarama and Dollar Tree there are not that many left and the ones that still exist now sell a lot of the products for more than a dollar. Even in China people expect to see their salaries go up and that means prices have to go up as well.

You are right, eventually production of low profit items will be moved out of China to locations where labour is cheaper. Up till now that has meant Asia (Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc.). The standard of living in India has risen dramatically over the past twenty years or so and you see fewer and fewer low cost items from there. I predict that the next area to boom in production of low cost items will be Africa. It has extremely low labour costs and a wealth of natural resources. Right now the only problem there is the political unrest in many of the countries. Once that settles down it will be the next booming area producing low cost manufactured goods.

Thus endeth the geography lesson.