Red rifles, why is the length of pull so short?

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In another thread the op was talking about a "traditional Russian" shooting stance. He was saying it's shooting with your body turned sideways to the target... I always thought the sideways profile was a NATO thing and the eastern bloc shot squared to the target, I guess not. So this leads me to ask why in the world they made/make such short stocks on their rifles??
 
I think I read somewhere that, the lop was shorter because of the multiple layers of clothing solider would be wearing during the cold Russian winters.
 
Definitely due to gear between soldier and weapon
also i believe statistically people were in general smaller
remember a lot of soldiers were barely 18
 
i'm 6'1", so i bought a yugo grenade launcher stock for my 54 izzy, comes with about a 3/4 butt pad, plus i can refinish it without feeling bad...god knows where the yugo receiver is, so keeping it original is no issue...

in the military standing stance is personal preference, but most instructors tend to encourage standing square, so your plates are facing the threat...even without armor, better to take a round through one lung, instead of both...i guess
 
I've also heard the Russians stand square. I don't know if it's true because the coat explanation also makes sense.
 
It's because under Communist economics there a fixed amount a LOP to be distributed among the People by the State. Therefore, each person/gun only gets as much as he/it needs, and no more.
In Soviet Russia, stock doesn't fit you, you fit stock!
 
one reason I've heard is that, as the AK was designed to be issued to troops familiar with bolt guns (i.e. the Mosin-Nagant) the charging handle was placed on the right side of the receiver to be actuated by the strong hand in a manner they were familiar with, the LOP might be a further adaptation to increase the similarity in the manual of arms.
 
Here's original old Soviet Army manual for SKS: h ttp://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/18/133710.html . Shooting stance on page 85. All is in Russian but pictures talk to themselves. Another one is here - better pictures and possible translate with google : h ttp://coollib.com/b/220958/read .
 
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I would stand sideways if I could still get a good shot off, smaller target silhouette and a shot through the arm first before it enters the vitals would be my preference! Perhaps the arm would deflect the round!!
 
Paladin308 said:
one reason I've heard is that, as the AK was designed to be issued to troops familiar with bolt guns (i.e. the Mosin-Nagant) the charging handle was placed on the right side of the receiver to be actuated by the strong hand in a manner they were familiar with, the LOP might be a further adaptation to increase the similarity in the manual of arms.
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Related to that the rear sight placement requires a certain distance to be used in a familiar/practical way.
 
I kind of thought the whole 'short LOP due to accommodating winter clothing' was a bit of a myth. Then I went shooting in the depths of winter and figured, hell, even if it's not the reason why the LOP is so short, it works out!
 
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