The BC CFO really grinds my gears

Youngfreshtoodeath

Youngfreshtoodeath

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So about three days ago I bought a restricted rifle from a private seller and we are both in BC. We all know the wait time is completely outrageous, so I tried to get anound it.
I called the CFC and asked this really nice lady if I could borrow the firearm well it's being transferred to me. She said there shouldn't be a problem as you could borrow any gun you want if the owner says its fine and your licensed for it. She transferred me to the BC CFO one time, I waited for about 14 mins and then got a recording saying that they where closed....? Called again and got to the CFO a second time after a 23 min wait to talk to someone and almost wish I didn't because this woman on the other line was basically insulting me... So I ask her if I can borrow a firearm that is being transferred to me while I wait and she says "no". I ask her why not? She says "because its being transferred to you". So I ask her if she could point me to a law that says I can't borrow a firearm that's being transferred to me. She tell me to hold one min and when she gets back she said "it says you can't borrow a firearm that's being transferred". So I ask her what section of the firearms act says that and she said "the CFO says that you can't". (Great... There making more laws) so I then ask her why it is a problem and she says that "the transfer is to see if you are allowed to own the firearm or not" f:P: I told her I have my RPAL and that if it wasn't being transferred to me that I WOULD be allowed to have it if the seller would lend it to me and asked her if she thought that was silly. She said "no, not really. It's stupid to think that someone could borrow a firearm while its being transferred to them". At this point I got a lil mad and just said goodbye before I told her off.

What do you guys think. It seem a little ridiculous to me.

Fvckin CFO's, I tell you!!!!
 
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The knee jerk reaction is always "NO!!!!" - I've wondered about this myself and decided the only reason they don't want this happening is that that it circumvents the "waiting period" that the bureaucrats enforce on us for our own protection and the protection of all the children in the world. It isn't in the law, but it makes sense to them to have a waiting period for every forearm transfer, so they create one by fu..., er .. messing around with the paperwork, until they think it's safe.
 
You have a vaild RPAL so you can 'borrow' the firearm (along with the reg cert) until it is transfered to you. The person you spoke to on the phone is full of sh*t. The only issue you may have is where the 'hand over' takes place. Your LT-ATT won't allow you to pick it up at buddies house or have him deliver it to you. A little range time is in order.
 
enefgee said:
The knee jerk reaction is always "NO!!!!" - I've wondered about this myself and decided the only reason they don't want this happening is that that it circumvents the "waiting period" that the bureaucrats enforce on us for our own protection and the protection of all the children in the world. It isn't in the law, but it makes sense to them to have a waiting period for every forearm transfer, so they create one by fu..., er .. messing around with the paperwork, until they think it's safe.
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If it was a written law, I would
Have no problem with it but when the CFO'S make laws as them go... That's just wrong, IMO.
 
You can borrow any restricted firearm as long as you are license for it and you can keep it up to 30 days then you have to notify to CFO.
 
StoneHorse said:
You have a vaild RPAL so you can 'borrow' the firearm (along with the reg cert) until it is transfered to you. The person you spoke to on the phone is full of sh*t. The only issue you may have is where the 'hand over' takes place. Your LT-ATT won't allow you to pick it up at buddies house or have him deliver it to you. A little range time is in order.
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Chances are, I will call them back and try again... I first girl I got just started to offend me so I got out. I actually know you can do it as well as I have seen it done. I just wanted to know what CGN thought.
 
Youngfreshtoodeath said:
I actually know you can do it as well as I have seen it done.
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Then why are you calling in the first place? If you know it can be done, and you are not breaking any laws, just do it. It boggles my mind when people ask Big Brother for permission to do things that are perfectly legal.
 
Yup, you can see they really thought this stuff out when they imposed all these laws and regulations upon us… you can legally borrow a firearm, but they don’t want you to in the midst of a transfer because they still want to be able to reject the transfer, but you could just borrow it anyways… they can only reject the transfer if they can make up a sufficient reason because you do have your RPAL and you wouldn’t have it if you weren’t allowed to possess a restricted… hey you could be in Ontario where they phone you up and tell you you have bought too many restricteds and they won’t approve any more transfers because you don’t have a LTATT yet, but the only reason you don’t have it is because of their own BS…

Something tells me that if they could have imposed a no lending or borrowing law on us they would of, in fact, I am pretty sure that was some ones original intent with registration but the federal government never had the power… just my 2 cents…
 
Youngfreshtoodeath said:
So about three days ago I bought a restricted rifle from a private seller and we are both in BC. We all know the wait time is completely outrageous, so I tried to get anound it.
I called the CFC and asked this really nice lady if I could borrow the firearm well it's being transferred to me. She said there shouldn't be a problem as you could borrow any gun you want if the owner says its fine and your licensed for it. She transferred me to the BC CFO one time, I waited for about 14 mins and then got a recording saying that they where closed....? Called again and got to the CFO a second time after a 23 min wait to talk to someone and almost wish I didn't because this woman on the other line was basically insulting me... So I ask her if I can borrow a firearm that is being transferred to me while I wait and she says "no". I ask her why not? She says "because its being transferred to you". So I ask her if she could point me to a law that says I can't borrow a firearm that's being transferred to me. She tell me to hold one min and when she gets back she said "it says you can't borrow a firearm that's being transferred". So I ask her what section of the firearms act says that and she said "the CFO says that you can't". (Great... There making more laws) so I then ask her why it is a problem and she says that "the transfer is to see if you are allowed to own the firearm or not" f:P: I told her I have my RPAL and that if it wasn't being transferred to me that I WOULD be allowed to have it if the seller would lend it to me and asked her if she thought that was silly. She said "no, not really. It's stupid to think that someone could borrow a firearm while its being transferred to them". At this point I got a lil mad and just said goodbye before I told her off.

What do you guys think. It seem a little ridiculous to me.

Fvckin CFO's, I tell you!!!!
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The legal/NFA/CSSA types here can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the person you spoke with at the CFO was answering your question based on what they thought should be the case (I.e., what they want the law to be) rather than what the actual law is. The seller may lend their firearms to anyone that has a valid licence to possess that class of firearm. For a restricted/prohibited firearm, they must also lend you the registration certificate. Until the transfer is completed, the firearm remains the property of the seller so they can lend it to whichever qualified person they choose. That said, the CFO could refuse to issue a STATT for you to pick it up until the transfer is complete and there's nothing you can do about that. However, if both the seller and yourself have a valid LTATT, you could meet at an approved range at which point the seller could lend you the firearm and certificate which you could then take home with you under your LTATT. WARNING... this assumes that your LTATT covers you for all restricted firearms for which you hold a valid certificate for (not just your own guns) AND that both LTATT's allow you to travel to/from the range you meet at to your respective homes. Another thing to consider is that once the transfer goes through I believe that the old registration certificate will no longer be valid (might want to check this one with a lawyer or in the act/regs yourself).

Hope this helps.
 
beagles#1 said:
Another thing to consider is that once the transfer goes through I believe that the old registration certificate will no longer be valid (might want to check this one with a lawyer or in the act/regs yourself).
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No matter which way you cut it there is going to be a point in time where neither the seller or buyer are in physical possession of a valid reg cert. The sellers gets voided and the buyers is in the mail. Subsequently, this is usually the case when purchasing from a dealer… that reg cert is always a week or two behind everything else. Although, I believe you are technically legal as a valid reg cert has been issued to you, you have a week or something to produce it and your firearms can be confiscated until you do, but you are still legal. Can’t transport with out it though I believe…
Edit: Only my LTATT requires possesion of the reg cert, my STATT's do not...
 
It is obvious by now that both the B.C. CFO & also Ontario CFO are playing games and making up " rules and delaying transactions.
( Plus possible other provinces ).
Have they both decided to go on a power trip at the same time by coincidence or is it a
joint, planned action ??
 
Yes, you can borrow a restricted firearm that belongs to someone else, as long as you have a RPAL.

The issue is how do you get it from the seller's house to your house, legally.

If you both have a LTATT then you can meet at a range and you can take the gun home from there, as long as he also gives you the registration certificate. One of the conditions on a BC LTATT is that you must be in possession of the reg cert for any restricted firearm that you are transporting.

The other option would be for the seller to request a short term ATT for a one way trip from his house to your house. If they want to know the reason, it's because he is lending it to you. Again, he has to give you the registration certificate as well.

Then, after the gun is at your house, the seller can initiate the transfer of ownership.

The ATT is NOT supposed to be a method of controlling who can acquire or possess a restricted firearm. The CFOs are trying to use them as such, and they have come to think of them that way. They're using the ATT as if it was another license. It's not.

This whole business of approving transfers is nonsense. What's there to approve? Does the person have a valid license? Yes? Okay, ownership can be transferred to that person.

By the way, my last two transfers have only taken one week each, and this was recently. One last month, one this month. Either they have sped up due to complaints, or maybe they just #### around certain people... I dunno.

In any event, restricted transfers should be done online, by computer, in two minutes. The owner should log into a web site, initiate the transfer, and the buyer then logs in and accepts the transfer. The computer will check if the buyer's license is valid. What else is there to check? If you have a license, then legally you're allowed to buy it.
 
Youngfreshtoodeath said:
She says "because its being transferred to you". So I ask her if she could point me to a law that says I can't borrow a firearm that's being transferred to me. She tell me to hold one min and when she gets back she said "it says you can't borrow a firearm that's being transferred". So I ask her what section of the firearms act says that and she said "the CFO says that you can't".
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If there's a lesson here for you to learn is to request politely to have this put into writing. You can also record your calls but a written refusal is better. From there forward such a refusal to your MP, the NFA, and the CSSA.

Otherwise if this is being shipped a TATT will not be issued until the transfer takes place, but if you can meet at a range you may borrow it without permission for the 30 days that others here have advised. This of course can be done without the CFO office approval and just be willing and ready to return it should the transfer be denied or held up.

Hope that helps.
 
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