Coyote firearms
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Adrian J Hare
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I would be leary with BB shot but a Buckshot woulkd be fine if you keep your shots to 40-50 yards but you would be best to pattern your gun to see what the gun will handle for dencity at the longest range. As for carrying 2 guns I would check your regs on that no one can tell you unless they live by you and know 100% I know here in Ontario some say you can but I will only carry one at a time, but then again I got more crap to carry another gun would kill me....
As far as the laws where you live go i don't live there so i can't help you with that.I am sure somebody from Manitoba will be along to help you out with that.
As far as the shotgun goes if you are allowed to carry it listen to what Adrian J Hare had to say. Pattern your shotgun and Forget about BB for coyote. They are not good consistent coyote killers.
If you keep you shots to 40-50 yards as he suggested. Number 4 buck works well.
If you want to shoot farther than that and are allowed to in the area you are talking about use a rifle.
As far as the shotgun goes if you are allowed to carry it listen to what Adrian J Hare had to say. Pattern your shotgun and Forget about BB for coyote. They are not good consistent coyote killers.
If you keep you shots to 40-50 yards as he suggested. Number 4 buck works well.
If you want to shoot farther than that and are allowed to in the area you are talking about use a rifle.
I completely disagree with your comment regarding BBs for coyotes. When we could still use them for coyotes in B.C., we shot many coyotes with lead BBs and I don't recall any that were inside of 50 yards that got away after taking a load of BBs. Your pattern will be much denser with 50 to 60 BBs than with 12 to 20 Buckshot.
Les Johnson of Predator Quest, a guy who uses a shotgun for coyotes a LOT, says:
I would personally consider BB (.18 cal) to be at the low end of the choice scale, and there are many guys who swear by T shot (.20 cal) as a good performing compromise between BB and buck. Hard stuff to find, though.
Okay i copied some of this and pasted from a previous post to save typing it all again but i think it still applies here......
I did try a shotgun and lead BB with a extra full choke here one year.(We can still use them here for coyote but not waterfowl)
Patterned well but i was less then impressed with the performance on actual coyotes.
With The smaller ones and shooting them in the head it seemed to work well enough on them (at close ranges) but with the larger one's even at ranges of less then 30 yards on more then one occasion i had to shoot them more then once and i even lost a couple.
Twice,the same thing happened to me, i called in double's , shot the first one's in the head standing straight on looking at me flattened them and when i swung to shoot the other one saw the first getting back up out of the corner of my eye and had to shoot them again so i lost out on the double's.(had the same thing happen while trying the 22 Mag on them as well)
Never had that trouble with centerfire a rifle before.
To me it seemed like that smaller shot got all balled up in the fur and didn't penetrate very well.
So if it's all you have and you do use it i would try to only shoot them in the head.
I decided along time ago that i much preffered using one of my .22 centerfires and a variable scope with it set on the lowest power setting for the stands that will have close action.
I personnely would even prefer a .22 Mag shooting the 50 grain Federals or 40 grain Winchester JHP's over a shotgun and BB any day of the week and that is definately still not my ideal dedicated coyote killing cartridge. Still better then a shotgun loaded wit BB as far as i am concerned but that is just my opinion.
Not sure of the size of the coyote's where you hunt.Maybe they are mostly small. They are not here. Like i said on the smaller one's here it did work(most of the time). On the bigger one's not so well.
I would rather have less larger shot in the air as long as it patterned well then a denser pattern of lighter more numerous shot.
To me, just because you have a denser pattern of lighter shot does not equate it to being a superior killer to larger shot carrying more momentum and energy at longer ranges.
If memory serves me correctly the last 2 3/4 inch 12 gauge number 4 buckshot shell i cut open had 27 Pellets and the 3 inch had 41 pellets i believe.
So i am not even sure where you are getting the 12 to 20 buckshot thing from.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the topic my friend.
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My self so far I like No. 4 buck the best but that being said I have never lost one with the right choke and BB lead either both in 12 or my favorite 10ga.
On the T shot you will have to order in the 8 pound jug from ballastic products through Bilozir
in Alberta. I have some BBB, T and TT lead I bought through him and hopefully will find the time to reload and pattern some this summer.
They also have two buck shot manuals worth adding to the order one for coyote loads.
See, here in NB because of the stupid laws. Unless you are in possession of a valid unfilled big game tag in an open big game season the largest shot you can carry is Lead BB. Or Steel F.
Hence why i tried the lead BB over the course of one winter instead of number 4 buck.I have shot coyote's with number 4 buck but have only been able to do so in corresponding big game season's.
Have any of you guys tried the steel F out on coyote's??
If so I would be curious to hear your results?
Hence why i tried the lead BB over the course of one winter instead of number 4 buck.I have shot coyote's with number 4 buck but have only been able to do so in corresponding big game season's.
Have any of you guys tried the steel F out on coyote's??
If so I would be curious to hear your results?
Well on the steel on coyotes only when one come in and attacks our goose decoys which may have happened 4 or 5 times over the years when I was in the blind and there was no bang flops with three guys shooting, mostly BB and BBB but one guy uses TT for his last shots. Not something I would say would be very effective but really not sure definately not as good as BB lead
Adrian J Hare
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This was taken in Ohio with #6 Hevi shot at 30 yards, but after the shot I would over think 40 or more. Yes BB will kill coyotes if they are not out of the 40 yard range, or its just a guessing shot....
antiqueguy
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bb sized lead shot is a good one for yotes but make sure its lead and not steel witch is more common now
i have used everything from #6 lead shot to 00 buck i like T and F sized shot more pellets with some knock down power but its a load your own game
with big shot skip chokes that are too tight id say at about bbb size lead and bigger the shot will deform and not fly right with a tight choke
i have used everything from #6 lead shot to 00 buck i like T and F sized shot more pellets with some knock down power but its a load your own game
with big shot skip chokes that are too tight id say at about bbb size lead and bigger the shot will deform and not fly right with a tight choke
Thanks, That's about what i figured. Just to light i guess. I will just have to stick to my usual coyote getters. It's a shame you can't use the number 4 buckshot here year round. Ideal for the close called in one's.
Stupid laws here that make no practical sense whatsoever.
When allowed and hunting them that is what I do use my 223 or mostly my 243 but here after the end of march until the fall it is shotgun only no more rifle allowed not even 22 rim.
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antiqueguy
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- windsor ontario
not everyone wants to buy something just to shoot a pest when i go out for coyote i bring a shotgun because its better then bringing out my .22lr now when hunting something else like small game .22lr or shotgun with small shot is used if i see a coyote i stil take the shot as long as its the limits
Does any one use .22lr for hunting coyotes. Seems under powered, no? Maybe with some CCI stingers? I personally wouldn't take it specifically for coyotes, but I'm an opportunist. If I'm rabbit hunting and I see a fox I'll do my part in predator control. But if I see a coyote I would be reluctant to take a shot.
Any have some experience with varmit hunting with a .308? I'll use .308 for just about Anything. Within reason and the law of course. Any one try the nosler 110grain .308 varmegaddon bullets? Was looking for a 110grain bullet for the .308. Figure the 165grain will just devastate the hide.
Any have some experience with varmit hunting with a .308? I'll use .308 for just about Anything. Within reason and the law of course. Any one try the nosler 110grain .308 varmegaddon bullets? Was looking for a 110grain bullet for the .308. Figure the 165grain will just devastate the hide.
antiqueguy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- windsor ontario
ive have used .22lr when hunting small game for coyote ammo is what every i have on hand that is never cci stingers or any hyper velocity ammo its not as accurate and what you want is acurate ammo a heart shot is needed with .22lr. idk where you are in ontario but alot of southern ontario cant hunt with a rifle bigger .275"
