Totally unethical? - Should we boycott as a group?

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First off, I want to say, I am the most pro hunter you will ever meet. I have killed plenty of big game, and I support any kind of ethical hunting out there. Heck, I would support a seal hunt, so long as it was ethical. Normally for me, if its legal, its legal (lets not fight amongst ourselves).

When we all started hunting, we were taught quick and clean as possible, kills. Get as close as you can, so you KNOW with 100% certainty you will make the shot and have little or no chance of wounding it and having an animal suffer, or be lost and wasted. In fact, I believe they still teach this in the hunter education program in Canada.

Now some guys are teaching, don't try and get any closer, in fact, let's see how far away you can kill it from. If you miss the first shot, try again, if you wound it, don't worry about the animal that is going to suffer.

Is the goal of this show to see how far an unethical of a shot it "can" make after it slings a few bullets at an animal?

Is it to see if its possible to kill an animal at 2000 meters? Because I gaurantee it's possible.

This clip really disgusted me. "Well, we saw how far we were off on the first shot, made the correction and connected." What us viewers didn't see, is how long the animal lay there suffering, or where the bullet went. I am well aware, that with a good lung shot, an animal will take minutes sometimes to die, but with a gut shot, it could take hours, or days if not found. I want to stress that all I am after here is a quick clean kill by the hunter, and him to have done everything in his power to make that happen.

Ethics should say to all of us hunters out there, if you don't KNOW you can make a shot, on your first shot, you should not be shooting that far. Sure myself with my bow, I consistently shoot 100 yards, but under field conditions, that is a totally different shot. And not one I am 100% sure I will make the first time I loose an arrow on an animal.

If the guy is trying to sell his long range stuff and was serious about how good it is, he should take an apple, stick it on his own head, and have that kid shoot it off at 1376 yards. "Well we're gonna have to make a correction her folks for that one! I got hit in the stomach, and I'm really squirming. Hold still damnit! Or your gonna drop the apple!" Hey, that would show me just how confident he is in his rifle he's selling.

Target practice (it can't possibly be called hunting) that far on a live animal is the farthest thing from ethical, unless you know with 100% certainty, you're gonna make that shot.

I'm so mad right now I think we should put together a list of companies who support this stuff that we can boycott! That is an absolute disgrace!
With enough support from hunters, saying this is not ethical, their business will soon be gone, along with their money. Anyone who promotes a "test shot" on an animal has no care about wounding an animal.

What I want to know, is, are you on board with me, or do you think this sort of thing is okay.

 
The problem is, what IS ethical to one person, might be unethical to another. The best one can do is to live your life with what you believe in, and don't be quite so judgemental of others beliefs.
Gear and training will dictate at what distance the shot becomes unethical, not your take on the scenario!
I myself believe, a 600 yard shot with a proper rifle and scope combination from a proper rest is more ethical than a rushed off hand shot at 100 yards.
But that's just my opinion.
 
I hunt under my own ethics/traditions as much as following game laws, however; people will argue that once they have purchased their hunting licence they will choose their own method. From what I have experienced with people on talk forums, this is the most common response I witnessed. Ethics today are urinated in a pot and tossed out the window...........very sad.
 
Just curious if you've ever missed a shot?

Yes, I've missed a shot on a deer when I first got into hunting. I didn't have a range finder. I saw my first legal buck. Guessed it was 300 yards (I had practiced lots at 300 at the range and was very confident) But I didn't have a range finder. I shot over its back. I paced it off. It was 200 yards. I went out and bought a range finder. I learned from it, and I was definitely not proud of the shot.
 
You know, I was following what you were saying until you started getting ridiculous and promoted shooting at humans. Then I stopped reading.
 
Yes, I've missed a shot on a deer when I first got into hunting. I didn't have a range finder. I saw my first legal buck. Guessed it was 300 yards (I had practiced lots at 300 at the range and was very confident) But I didn't have a range finder. I shot over its back. I paced it off. It was 200 yards. I went out and bought a range finder. I learned from it, and I was definitely not proud of the shot.

It happens...I missed a gimme 163 yarder two years ago...I wasn't proud of it either but know it will likely happen again one day......if you hunt enough and keep hunting enough it's an ongoing inevitability. Must have been a pretty slow cartridge you were shooting to miss a 10" target by only overestimating 100 yards at 200 yards. Good to hear you learned from it.....that's the best we can hope when things go awry.
 
You owe it to the animal to be reasonably accurate. Which is not compatible with shooting at that range. 600m is plausible, sure.

I agree with this, I really think we owe it to the animals we hunt to try and give them as reasonable a chance of quick and clean a death as possible. I think almost all hunters agree with this. The problem is however as hawk-i says differences in opinion in what circumstances approach or cross the line of reasonable in this regard.
 
The problem is, what IS ethical to one person, might be unethical to another. The best one can do is to live your life with what you believe in, and don't be quite so judgemental of others beliefs.
Gear and training will dictate at what distance the shot becomes unethical, not your take on the scenario!
I myself believe, a 600 yard shot with a proper rifle and scope combination from a proper rest is more ethical than a rushed off hand shot at 100 yards.
But that's just my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. 600 yard shot, 100's of shots down range, well practiced, easy shot.

If he had made the shot first time, I would have thought, heck of a shooter. But he didn't. Gear and training should dictate what is ethical, I agree. All of those involved (as there are people calling the shot) didn't make the shot happen first time (with all of their experience combined).

Missed shot (stationary target) live animal, with as good a rest as possible, time to set up = unethical shooting distance for that shooter.
 
An ethical shot to me is one that I know will land in the kill zone of the animal when I take it, that depends on the gun I'm using, environment, range, etc, etc. I don't shoot to wound, I don't shoot to just hit the animal, I shoot to kill as fast as possible.

That being said, a lot of things are legal that I don't find ethical, and I probably do some things that others won't find ethical, as long as someone is being legal I'm not going to hassle them about it, I just won't hunt with them.
 
The thing I do not like is that there are now multiple hunting shows, promoting this, selling hi-tech scopes, guns etc...
The commercialization/promotion of this, leads people that are not competent, into buying this gear and trying this out.

And you're right; these guys on these shows seek the longest possible shot. If they could get an animal at 200 yards, they would deliberately work out to a longer range... what the heck!?

The people that are getting paid to endorse this type stuff and of course going to support it.
The handful of people that are competent, will also support it.

People wound deer at 50 yards. Whatya gonna do?

It is not unethical.

It is not illegal.

It is not my thing.

Flame away people.
 
...600 yard shot with a proper rifle and scope combination from a proper rest is more ethical than a rushed off hand shot at 100 yards.
But that's just my opinion.
Im gonna have to agree with (hawk-i) you on this one also. Ive seen some shots taken without a care in the world. And the most disappionting thing Ive heard from other hunters, is "I think I got him"......what the hell does that mean??? Did you hit him or not? "I'm not sure." Where did you hit him? "I'm not sure"....I also believe taking long distant shots at game...BUT of course Ive done my home work, in order to do so. I know what my round is capable of doing, its limitations, bullet drop at the targets range, and wind deflection. With these facts, you can take an ethical shot on long distant game, and be successful. Im not rolling the dice, blind folded!

To Sheephunter....curious if Ive ever missed a shot? Of course if you hunt, you've missed, but I knew where the round(s) went and was able to make the propper corrections to get back on target, if presented with another shot.
 
An ethical shot to me is one that I know will land in the kill zone of the animal when I take it, that depends on the gun I'm using, environment, range, etc, etc. I don't shoot to wound, I don't shoot to just hit the animal, I shoot to kill as fast as possible.

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I would say those should be pretty universal ethics. Unfortunately Murphy interjects occasionally and everything we "know" was going to happen doesn't. Anyone who has never had things go wrong on a shot they "knew" they were going to make hasn't hunted long enough but I agree, you should be 100% confident of a clean kill when pulling the trigger but not so naïve as to believe that you will get a clean kill 100% of the time.
 
It happens...I missed a gimme 163 yarder two years ago...I wasn't proud of it either but know it will likely happen again one day......if you hunt enough and keep hunting enough it's an ongoing inevitability. Must have been a pretty slow cartridge you were shooting to miss a 10" target by only overestimating 100 yards at 200 yards. Good to hear you learned from it.....that's the best we can hope when things go awry.

Actually it was a 300 win mag, I was sighted in for right on at 200 yards. I was grouping 3 inches at 300 yards. I estimated it was 300 yards to the deer. There were some dips in between which threw off my judgement. I had time, I pulled out the bipod, settled in prone, and aimed right for the top of his back. He ran off. I was very confident I had got him. When I got to where he was, after pacing off 200 yards, exactly where I was sighted in for (200 yards) and holding where I held on him, there was a pile of deer hair in the snow. I followed him for 2 KMs in the snow, but never found a single drop of blood.

You're a responsible and ethical hunter TJ. I know, I watch your show. Everyone is going to miss every now and again, things happen.


But what defines an ethical shot to all of us hunters, and I think you can agree, is shooting at an animal where you know with 70% certainty, you WILL put one into the vitals on either the first, second or third shot, every time!
 
I am not guna support a 1300 yard hunt.

You can really tell that he does not care one bit about the Elk just that it only took to shot's.
 
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