ammo situation worsening.... and worsening..... and worsening ....... May 5, updated

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Got the chicken little details from my local CT gun salesman today...
Obama is buying 95% of all ammo made this year.
Everything they sell out of isn't being restocked.
etc...
So I ordered a bunch from Canada Ammo, picked up a couple ammo cans of 9mm from Cabelas...
and the sky didn't fall.

It was a good day. :)
 
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ok I'll bite... I've been watching this thread with interest even though I reload and haven't purchased any pre rolled since the early 80's. It does look like there's a direct relationship between ammo on the selves and reloading components on the shelves as others have stated. I always thought of pre rolled ammo as alternate source of brass. No ammo on the shelf is not good however I have to say that retailers in my region seem to be well stocked, at least for now.
 
We have just been offered CCI Blaser #10021, 525 value pack, 40 grn solds. We currently sell these at $22. Our new wholesale cost is considerably more than our current retail. How can that be to have that much increase in a year? Unless this is the last .22 ammo available and were are completely out...we won't be buying. We still have lots of of other rimfire ammo in stock and new product coming in at only a little more than last years wholesale pricing so we should be able to avoid this "special pricing" for a while. Phil.
 
The only problem I've had is primers. I can't find them anywhere. Fishing World is out, said try Lanz, they ordered 70,000. I got there, they said someone walked out with the last 6000 a few minutes ago. WHO NEEDS 6000 PRIMERS AT ONCE! Epps said they have 70 boxes of 1000, got there a few days later to pick up an SKS, no primers.

I can only hope that this means once all the psychotics calm down, there will be piles of cheap primers on EE.

RVG_Don, do you know anyone in the area who has small pistol in stock, preferably CCI or Win?
 
tiriaq said:
Back on the rails. Keep it there. Or its gone.
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Thank you!

P of PDent said:
We have just been offered CCI Blaser #10021, 525 value pack, 40 grn solds. We currently sell these at $22. Our new wholesale cost is considerably more than our current retail. How can that be to have that much increase in a year? Unless this is the last .22 ammo available and were are completely out...we won't be buying. We still have lots of of other rimfire ammo in stock and new product coming in at only a little more than last years wholesale pricing so we should be able to avoid this "special pricing" for a while. Phil.
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If you can share it - what was the "new wholesale cost?" Ballpark figure.

I read from that "There is still inventory at least year's pricing out there, but once it's gone there will be upward pressures on price."
 
harbl_the_cat said:
I read from that "There is still inventory at least year's pricing out there, but once it's gone there will be upward pressures on price."
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Or you can read it as stock is still coming in, and at barely any increase (like any other commodity over time), but that certain distributors/wholesalers are trying to get in on the fear premium some are willing to pay, and Phil will have none of it.

P of PDent said:
We still have lots of of other rimfire ammo in stock and new product coming in at only a little more than last years wholesale pricing so we should be able to avoid this "special pricing" for a while.
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Which is consistent with his previous posts on the topic that have gone over the heads of many.

P of PDent said:
We have not "run out" of ammunition. We have significant inventories of loaded ammunition and most reloading supplies. Some powders have have been in short supply so from time to time we may be low or out of a cetain type of powder...this has always been the case. We sold out of some powders and ammuntion at the Dawson Creek Show but of course we have much more back at the store. We often sell out of some product as the show first opens as it is hard to decide what and how much to bring to every gun show. Pre orders that are paid in full are always your best bet to ensure product. At our store we are seeing very large personal purchases of loaded ammuntion that are large enough to require a wheeler to get it out to their vehicle. We are not limiting the amount you can buy at the present as we have significant inventory. We might not always have the exact ammunition or reloading components you want at the time but we can almost always come up with a good replacement. Phil.
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P of PDent said:
We currently have a good supply of ammunition in the Edmonton area including some of my competitors. We are now seeing however larger bulk purchases of ammunition that require a wheeler to get them out to the customer's vehicle. Some calibers are starting to sell through however we have lots of others. We saw this coming at the end of last year and doubled and sometimes tripled our ammunition orders for the expected rush. Our prices are holding from last year however ATK (Federal CCI) advised anything delivered after April 01 2013 will have increased prices up to 15% more for .223 (no matter what previous prive had been agreed to). Phil.
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I have not seen one post that says anything of the like that "this is the last of it boys", "there is no more coming", or "the distributors just can't get us any".

In fact, I see that he has doubled or tripled his orders from last year, and has made no mention that the distributor or wholesalers are unable to meet that demand. At the same time I see mention of all the people loading up increased bulk quantities, which seems to me like they are buying into the fear that it is massively going up or not going to be there later.

My money is on allot of people being very disappointed when the fear mongering runs out of steam.
 
critter928 said:
Or you can read it as stock is still coming in, and at barely any increase (like any other commodity over time), but that certain distributors/wholesalers are trying to get in on the fear premium some are willing to pay, and Phil will have none of it.



Which is consistent with his previous posts on the topic that have gone over the heads of many.





I have not seen one post that says anything of the like that "this is the last of it boys", "there is no more coming", or "the distributors just can't get us any".

In fact, I see that he has doubled or tripled his orders from last year, and has made no mention that the distributor or wholesalers are unable to meet that demand. At the same time I see mention of all the people loading up increased bulk quantities, which seems to me like they are buying into the fear that it is massively going up or not going to be there later.

My money is on allot of people being very disappointed when the fear mongering runs out of steam.
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Well, I loaded up long before the panic started and any personal, discretionary purchases I've made since this has started have been, relatively speaking, quite small.

I don't believe there ever will be a "this is the last of it boys", "there is no more coming", or "the distributors just can't get us any" scenario I think it's irresponsible to even insinuate that as a possibility. Simply put, if there was no more supply - why on earth would ANYONE sell any of their personal holdings?

I DO think there will always be supply, but there will be permanent price increases in the near future - and by near, I mean 1-2 years - that will catch a few people off guard, but present a good opportunity if anticipated in advance.
 
... went to Canadian tire and walfart in lloyd. Zero .223 rounds on the shelves. Unfortunately magnum and another store was closed.... damn Sundays.
 
bobdbldr said:
I think so too, I believe when the liberals get in there will be tax increases on ammo and anything gun related!
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Now this I can see.

Perhaps a "sin" tax like alcohol and tobacco to pay for the extra costs to the health system.

I am being sarcastic, but I can see it being contemplated and justified.

Lets just hope it never becomes as high as that suggested by Chris Rock.
 
P of PDent said:
We have just been offered CCI Blaser #10021, 525 value pack, 40 grn solds. We currently sell these at $22. Our new wholesale cost is considerably more than our current retail. How can that be to have that much increase in a year? Unless this is the last .22 ammo available and were are completely out...we won't be buying. We still have lots of of other rimfire ammo in stock and new product coming in at only a little more than last years wholesale pricing so we should be able to avoid this "special pricing" for a while. Phil.
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Supply and demand at work, demand sky rockets, supply dries up, price jumps. Again, just more proof the ammo situation has not yet abated.
 
dizzy said:
Supply and demand at work, demand sky rockets, supply dries up, price jumps. Again, just more proof the ammo situation has not yet abated.
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Or more likely price gouging by single distributor/supplier wanting to get in on the fear premium due to hoarding, as the rest of his products are coming in despite making double and triple the orders sizes and at only a marginal mark-up form last years prices.
We currently have a good supply of ammunition in the Edmonton area including some of my competitors. We are now seeing however larger bulk purchases of ammunition that require a wheeler to get them out to the customer's vehicle. Some calibers are starting to sell through however we have lots of others. We saw this coming at the end of last year and doubled and sometimes tripled our ammunition orders for the expected rush. Our prices are holding from last year however ATK (Federal CCI) advised anything delivered after April 01 2013 will have increased prices up to 15% more for .223 (no matter what previous prive had been agreed to). Phil.
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I was talking to a retailer today who told me he sold 35,000 rounds of .22 LR at the last show he attended. He also sold a decent quantity of Nosler .308 at a reasonable price and we will never see it that low again. The Nosler is from a $45,000.00 purchase he combned a year ago with another dealer, apparently the cost was very good.

There is almost zero chance of the prices going back to where they were a few months ago as ammo makers have now increased the prices and will do their best to keep them as high as possible resulting in greater profit. Time will tell if the increased costs will be sustainable.
 
dizzy said:
you confrim what has been said you need to search all over the country and be persistent just to find the amo you want to shoot. it used to be you could head to your local supplier and find it. not any more
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How long have you been shooting?

I can remember not much more than a decade ago trying to find any selection of handgun ammunition other than Winchester Whitebox or American Eagle (or some crappy Centeur? sp), and if you were so lucky to find more than that like say any HP in any flavour, you paid through the nose for them.

Now everyone carries dozens of different brands in all types and loads, and some brands have several offerings, and there are several more big box stores as well that sell it by the boatload.

I was in P&D recently and there were no less than 6 different types of .357 magnum on the shelf (including Barnes? like when the hell did they start making loaded ammunition?), and I never seen any bare spots for any other calibers either.

And I have never seen so many bulk pack in ammunition cans and surplus ammunition in the past year.

Add to that online retailers like SFRC and Canada Ammo, I have never had it easier finding any ammunition, even during this so called "shortage".

So if there is a "shortage", it is not very noticeable, and your overall selection and options are much higher than it has ever been. Which when one of those dozen different choices is taken away, may seem like the end of the world to some, but to those of us shooting for years, it is still the best times ever for selection and ease of getting ammunition to feed our addiction.
 
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