The EM2 Canadian bullpup rifle. Only $25,000 at Switzers Auction

I have one of the No7 bayonets for the EM2. Bought a Mint Savage made No4 MkI* with what I thought was a normal No 7 bayonet.
I was looking through my book on "British & Commonwealth Bayonets" by "Skennerton and Richardson" found information on the Prototype EM1/EM2, 1st Type bayonet for the EM2. Information found on pages 247 to 251.
I checked the bayonet that came on the No4 and it was Prototype EM1/EM2, 1st Type what a great surprise.
So if you happen to have an EM2 without a bayonet we may be able to work something out.
I think the EM2 book mentions Canada produced some EM2's in 7mm X 51. I may be wrong but isn't that 7mm08?
 
The "estimated price" seems to be based on it selling into the US.

Luckily it can't go there as I doubt any law enforcement agency will ask for a demo.

The reality of it is that if it sells above @$5k it's going to a foreign company or museum and will be exported from Canada.

Inviduals in Switzerland and New Zealand would be about the only people who could purchase it for themselves, and they've been experiencing legislative pressure as well.
 
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I can remember when a limited number of these rifles were sold off, and advertised in one of the Canadian Gun Magazines. Not sure who, but possibly Century Arms, and I think the price was about $800 at the time. That was a lot of money when you were making a couple of bucks per hour.
 
I bet Al and Fred from collectors source will be going home with most of the full auto and snipers especially the EM2 and the C2A1 ...but i bet if nothing else the Longbranch sniper will end up in their collection ...its a pretty awesome collection and they will stay in canada .....its interesting how guys with the full auto statis have no problem transfering them whereas us guys with the converted auto get fu3ked by the RCMP with a BS conversion inspection
 
Just looked at the LB sniper.
Why would a 1945 LB have a 1944 serial #?
Would it be a replacement receiver from a FTR?
Serial # looks re-stamped.
 
buffdog said:
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I can remember when a limited number of these rifles were sold off, and advertised in one of the Canadian Gun Magazines. Not sure who, but possibly Century Arms, and I think the price was about $800 at the time. That was a lot of money when you were making a couple of bucks per hour.
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I just realized that i've known 4 people who've owned EM2 rifles.
Of course with a total production of 70 rifles it may have only been 1 or 2 guns owned by each person in turn...
 
albayo said:
I have one of the No7 bayonets for the EM2. Bought a Mint Savage made No4 MkI* with what I thought was a normal No 7 bayonet.

......I think the EM2 book mentions Canada produced some EM2's in 7mm X 51. I may be wrong but isn't that 7mm08?
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The 7x51mm Compromise was the US 30 T65 case necked to 7mm in a last ditch effort to get the 7mm accepted by the Americans in 1952/53. Many years later Remington produced a similar cartridge but I do not think they are interchangeable. Here are the series of 7mm cartridges that the various versions of the EM-2 were chambered for.



Left to right they are:
.270
.280 with aluminium case
.280/30
7x49 Second Optimum
7x49 High Velocity
7x51 Compromise
.30 T65 (British made)

The First Optimum was the .280/30 with the bullet seated slightly less deep to allow more propellant.

Regards
TonyE
 
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PorkNBeans said:
wow. that's quite the collection.
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That is just a representative picture of the different calibres from the Ideal Calibre Trials. Of course, I really should include a 30-06 as that was the last round the EM-2 was chambered for. The gun was never designed for such a powerful round and it was no surprise when the thing failed.

Overall I have over sixty different rounds from this series plus a good few loose projectiles.

Regards
Tonye
 
As Canada was a partner with Britain and Belgium in the so called "BBC" trials, experimental quantities of both the 7x49mm Second Optimum and the 7x51mm Compromise rounds were made at Dominion Arsenal. I have examples of both, headstamped "DAC 52".

Regards
TonyE
 
granite said:
Do any of these have LC late 40's headstamps? I have some oddball cartridges that are shorter than 7.62 round and likely around 7mm diameter. I was thinking they were for this or US designed intermediate cartridge.
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No, these are all British made rounds.

The cartridges you are referring to are the US .30 light rifle series, starting with the 47mm case length (based on a .300 Savage) from about 1946, then the 49mm case length and finally the 51mm case length that became first the T65 and then after 1954 the 7.62x51mm NATO. Both brass and aluminium cases exist.

The US did make a copy of the 7x51mm Compromise but AFAIK it was only made by Frankford Arsenal. certainly my examples has an "F A" headstamp.

Regards
TonyE
 
"...Canadian bullpup rifle..." Isn't any more Canadian than the FN.
"...Never seen anything like that before!..." Prototype for the Brit's current junk rifle.
 
Everything derives from something else, Sunray, unless it is a unique brain-wave of some kind. Usually, those are not wanted, anyway.

So the EM-2 was of British origin, that does not make it Canadian enough or something? It was designed by a Pole and made here, so that should count for something. FN-FAL was developed here to a good degree, although on a Belgian prototype on a British prototype on a Belgian prototype stolen by the Swedes and Russians both. Number 4 was a British design, simply made here..... although we sure made nice ones and a whole potful of them, too. You can slag the Ross because it had an Austrian grandfather and a Scots father. You can slag the entire Lee series because they were developed elsewhere..... although Lee was as Canadian as anyone else at that time and did all his early development work here. Martini was Swiss, Snider was a Dutch-American Jew, wine merchant and an amateur historian, so I guess that disqualifies them, too.

SO WHAT IS CANADIAN ENOUGH FOR YOU?

If we trash everything because it might spring from something else, we are left with the SPEAR as the last Canadian-designed weapons. Oh, just a minute...... the prototype came from Siberia..... so that's out, too.

Remember, Canada is a Free Country: firearms development has never been encouraged here and has only been tolerated for single-shot .22s and break-action shotguns..... unless Very Well Connected politically so as to get enough SUBSIDY money involved. Look at what happened to Cliff Douglas, for example. Oh, that's right: he used a GERMAN-developed cartridge, so that can't be Canadian, either.

And exactly what's wrong with the L85? Perhaps you would care to elucidate, rather than simply dropping in, slagging and leaving.

We are all eager to learn, here.
 
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