i want a 200yd 1MOA rifle for $500 to $800

.17HMR or the new .17 Super when it comes out.
If you do any research at all you will dismiss the .22WMR...its attraction is it's knockdown power...but a good shooting rifle will produce 1.25-1.5MOA at 100yds...and like the rest it will open up somewhat more at greater distances.
As to the 52 Winchester in the '30's...remember, that was the hayday of benchrest. These were expensive, heavy derivitives of the 52 off of the bench with state of the art scopes (for the time) with massive rests.
Doing that today (benchrest) is way...waaayyy beyond the OP's $500-$800 limit...more like $2500+
Let's keep it to apples to apples.
 
This might give you a idea. In good conditions ( very little or no wind ) my 40x will shoot 0.1-0.3" groups at 50yds. At 100yds they open up to 0.7-1.0". At 200yds they open open way up, like the fist size of so, maybe bigger sometimes.
 
hoytcanon said:
For a couple bucks you can have a rifle that will do 200 MOA at 1 yard.
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the one in my pants does that and it's effectively "free"!


right, then. maybe i'll look at 17HMR instead, though from what i gather it's the same per-round price as 223. and the indoor ranges i visit don't allow 17HMR anyways, so at that point i might as well go 223.
 
BP7 said:
the one in my pants does that and it's effectively "free"!
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Man, you are young!!! If you think "that" weapon is "effectively free" you are in for a shock... It is going to cost you 3-4 houses, 8-10 cars, 200-300 pairs of high heel shoes and about 10,000 dozen roses!!! Get back to us on that "free" concept in 30-40 years...
 
i'm not young, i'm just not pussy-whipped enough to be married to that type of woman! ;)

anyhoo... seems this 22LR-for-200yd is not going to happen, at least at my "toy" price point. unless i happen across some great deal on a used target/competition rifle that is no longer "competition legal" as someone above said.
 
Reloading .223 or or .17 Hornet would be your best option for some cheap shooting.

The .17 with the 20 grain pills at 200m will be seriously affected by wind, so .223 is gonna be your best bet for sure.

Rem 700 SPS Tactical, or a Savage 10 of various configurations will do what you want right out of the box with some load development. ;)
 
If 200 yards is your very specific goal, then a .22 K-Hornet is ideal... I have four of them and you will be hard pressed to find a better 200 yard gun... However if you want to be more versatile .223 is the way to go. Or be one of the cool kids and get a .22 PPC or .22 BR Rem... I am building two .22 BR's right now... To go with my 6BR's.
 
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BP7 said:
i'm not young, i'm just not pussy-whipped enough to be married to that type of woman!
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I'm not sure what you mean by "that type of woman?" There just ain't no other kind, it's in their DNA... This is not a negative statement just a synopsis of reality.
 
hoytcanon said:
If 200 yards is your very specific goal, then a .22 K-Hornet is ideal... I have four of them and you will be hard pressed to find a better 200 yard gun... However if you want to be more versatile .223 is the way to go. Or be one of the cool kids and get a .22 PPC or .22 BR Rem... I am building two .22 BR's right now... To go with my 6BR's.
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200yd is the goal simply because that's what my outdoor range is at. others are at 100yd only (and mine has a 100yd berm as well as the 200yd), and the only LONG range around here (1000yd) belongs to a club that i left for a number of reasons, so all i have to play with is 200yd.

i think that since 22LR is a "not a chance", i'll cancel this hunt and turn to good ol' 223 or maybe 22-250 (i've seen really good results from a friend's rifle at 200 and 300 yards)
 
Since your max distance is 200 yards... I would recommend the .223 over the .22/250... They are pretty equal at 200 with regard to accuracy and the .223 is cheaper to shoot, especially if you reload. The .22/250 holds an edge when you get beyond 300 yards, with it's flatter trajectory... But shooting at a known distance somewhat negates the need for "flat" trajectory... And stability comes in to play... A fast twist .223 will hold its own at a known distance.
 
/// thread WAS done, but now it's not as we're apparently arguing over what a MOA actually is ///

i'm going to go the 223 route. seems to make the most sense both short-term and long-term. and gives me an "in" to an AR15 that i don't need but want anyways
 
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Bp7, don't give up so fast. You can achieve your goal with a $450 savage. Only caveat is You will need to go through about 2000 of them to find the right one. Savage produces cheap 22's that once in a blue moon will out shoot match grade anschutz's. the only tricky part is finding the one that does. It's the main reason I hate savages. They are cheap, built like clubs and at times outshoot some of the finest rifles made.
 
I started to reply but then realized too many comments by the OP sounded familiar.

We'll try my Vostok at 200 when I get back from vacation. I'm guessing it will be close to MOA with Center-X based on the well under MOA I've shot it at 100. And before you ask, I'm not selling it.
 
jgraves said:
I started to reply but then realized too many comments by the OP sounded familiar.

We'll try my Vostok at 200 when I get back from vacation. I'm guessing it will be close to MOA with Center-X based on the well under MOA I've shot it at 100. And before you ask, I'm not selling it.
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LOL!

yeah, it's me alright :p not me in the pic, but the BP7 should have been a giveaway...

how much did ya pay for that Vostok anyways?
 
They may not hold 2", but shooting a .22lr at 200yds is extremely entertaining and will teach you a lot about wind.

If I only had a 200yd range I'd definitely shoot a .22lr, with a centerfire you really have to question if that 2" group was you or the wind. With a rimfire it'll turn into a 4" group and you'll know it's because you didn't dope the wind right.

-Grant
 
jgraves said:
Less than your budget but that was 20+ years ago.
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well if you happen to see something interesting/worthwhile when you're out east, let me know and maybe i'll actually buy it.

actually i'm gonna pop onto that McAdam store web site.
 
There seems to be a bit of confusion by OP and others what he really wants....

There is no such thing as 200 yards 1 MOA.

MOA = minute of angle and remains the same no matter what distance.

What changes is the circle you can describe if you draw a line through two lines at a certain angle at a certain distance.

What this comes down to is that 1 moa happens to be more or less equal to 1 inch at 100 m/yards (give or take a little).

At 200m the 1 moa rifle would spread in a circle with 2 inch diameter. etc.

regardless though, what OP probably wants doesnt exist.
 
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