Canadian Sporting Rifle

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ztunelover said:
All I can tell is that we are getting another rifle that does exactly what the cz already does, so really not sure what the fuss is all about. Who is bringing in parts for this rifle? Why is there no frt number for it yet? If it's different from an ak does that mean it wont accept ak bolts or gas piston bits?<(meaning propietary #### that god knows who would stock and where you would find replacement, when it breaks.), and while we are on the topic of mags, who currently actively stocks ak mags?

If it's a long stroke setup, it will almost certainly be heavier than the cz.
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Doesnt an sks do what a cz does or for that matter all rifles do that?????
Im sure that when this is released Interarms will have parts forbit as its the only company which is producing it. As for the AK mags, why look in the ee cu almost everytime I look in there I see AK mags for sale
 
tetra said:
If what I heard from a gun shop is true, we might not have the CZ forever. The CSA's are supposed to stay though.
Either way, the fuss is about us having more choice. And to be honest, the more firearms we can buy the better.

I'm not jumping all over this either. I got registered for a pre-order just in case, but I want to see the facts before I truly commit.
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Which gunshop is that?
 
ztunelover said:
All I can tell is that we are getting another rifle that does exactly what the cz already does, so really not sure what the fuss is all about. Who is bringing in parts for this rifle? Why is there no frt number for it yet? If it's different from an ak does that mean it wont accept ak bolts or gas piston bits?<(meaning propietary #### that god knows who would stock and where you would find replacement, when it breaks.), and while we are on the topic of mags, who currently actively stocks ak mags?

If it's a long stroke setup, it will almost certainly be heavier than the cz.
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Nothing confirmed or denied. Was told that the rifle will NOT take an AK bolt/piston. I was told it is impossible to machine the gun safely to take ak internals. That being said, it does not rule out a similar looking long piston setup.

Think about it....if this gun was as similar inside to an AK as it is on the outside, it would be an AK variant and therefore prohib. As I understand, it is an AK in looks only (reportedly it will accept AK furniture which would put it at similar dimensions).

I wouldn't worry about mags. These rifles should bust that door wide open, at least at the dealers carrying them. AK mags aren't exactly scarce on this continent.
 
bfiles said:
Which gunshop is that?
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Well, considering my location I think you can guess.

I was told that Czech Republic accidently sent a batch of full autos to Canada. The RCMP seized the shipment and now the CZ858 is being reviewed due to it's easiness to turn full auto. The shop said it found this out through their distributor which is a major player on this website. I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but I guess we'll find out.

I was also told the CSA model would not be affected because you can't easily turn it into a fully automatic.
 
FastFord58 said:
Nothing confirmed or denied. Was told that the rifle will NOT take an AK bolt/piston. I was told it is impossible to machine the gun safely to take ak internals. That being said, it does not rule out a similar looking long piston setup.

Think about it....if this gun was as similar inside to an AK as it is on the outside, it would be an AK variant and therefore prohib. As I understand, it is an AK in looks only (reportedly it will accept AK furniture which would put it at similar dimensions).

I wouldn't worry about mags. These rifles should bust that door wide open, at least at the dealers carrying them. AK mags aren't exactly scarce on this continent.
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^^^^well said FastFord58
 
fenceline said:
If what he says is what we get, I'd be very happy with it. Much better than trying to make the vz line into something it isn't.

The antis ban guns on looks. This kind of throws that right back in their face.
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True, if it wasnt for the CSR coming my whole VZ lineup would all be wearing custom AK furniture more so then now
 
ztunelover said:
All I can tell is that we are getting another rifle that does exactly what the cz already does, so really not sure what the fuss is all about. Who is bringing in parts for this rifle? Why is there no frt number for it yet? If it's different from an ak does that mean it wont accept ak bolts or gas piston bits?<(meaning propietary #### that god knows who would stock and where you would find replacement, when it breaks.), and while we are on the topic of mags, who currently actively stocks ak mags?

If it's a long stroke setup, it will almost certainly be heavier than the cz.
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Besides being a slap in the face of the antis, the most historically significant firearm design and one that benefits from an aftermarket second only to that of the AR, it's no big deal.

It's quite common that AK parts aren't interchangeable between different makes and models of an AK, so no biggie there.

One of the nice things about a decent AK is that you have to wait a long, long time before anything breaks on them.

Long stroke simply means the piston is directly attached to the bolt carrier, the difference in weight compared to a short stroke setup is negligible. A stamped receiver AK of normal thickness should only be 1 lb heavier than a VZ58, and that extra weight seems to make for a considerably more durable gun.
 
FastFord58 said:
Nothing confirmed or denied. Was told that the rifle will NOT take an AK bolt/piston. I was told it is impossible to machine the gun safely to take ak internals. That being said, it does not rule out a similar looking long piston setup.

Think about it....if this gun was as similar inside to an AK as it is on the outside, it would be an AK variant and therefore prohib. As I understand, it is an AK in looks only (reportedly it will accept AK furniture which would put it at similar dimensions).
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AFAIK there is a .22 rifle that has been deemed to be an AK variant by TPTB. If it looks like an AK then it is automatically a 'variant' of an AK and prohibited.

I don't believe this rifle will ever be given non restricted status.

Dream on but it will never happen.
 
allanaimes said:
AFAIK there is a .22 rifle that has been deemed to be an AK variant by TPTB. If it looks like an AK then it is automatically a 'variant' of an AK and prohibited.

I don't believe this rifle will ever be given non restricted status.

Dream on but it will never happen.
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You can believe what you want, but know this : an FRT# already has been assigned to this rifle. Although I won't get into details out of respect for the distributor's right to make his own announcements, there is a very good reason as to why this FRT # can't be released nor found in the FRT for now. But the rifle has already been deemed non-restricted (with the right barrel length).
 
fenceline said:
False.

Hope is dead in the gun community. The down-troddening has taken it's toll.
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The .22 Armi-Jager AP-80 is officially an AK variant. Why ? because it has the looks of an AK. Look here http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-80-v-AK-47-Series&highlight=AK-47+Armi+Jager

I agree that the decision to classify it as an AK variant is total madness, but that's how it has been classified whether we like it or not.

There is not a snowballs chance in hell that this Canadian Sporting Rifle will be given non restricted status without major changes to Canadian law.
 
sewktbk said:
You can believe what you want, but know this : an FRT# already has been assigned to this rifle. Although I won't get into details out of respect for the distributor's right to make his own announcements, there is a very good reason as to why this FRT # can't be released nor found in the FRT for now. But the rifle has already been deemed non-restricted.
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If you can show me to be wrong then I will be VERY happy. What is the FRT# ?
 
allanaimes said:
The .22 Armi-Jager AP-80 is officially an AK variant. Why ? because it has the looks of an AK. Look here http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-80-v-AK-47-Series&highlight=AK-47+Armi+Jager

I agree that the decision to classify it as an AK variant is total madness, but that's how it has been classified whether we like it or not.

There is not a snowballs chance in hell that this Canadian Sporting Rifle will be given non restricted status without major changes to Canadian law.
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I wasn't saying it hasn't been done. I'm saying it is false to assume anything that looks like an AK is automatically an AK is a variant.

The vz58 is proof alone of that. It gets called an AK all the time.

As for a snowballs chance, again, I say false.
 
allanaimes said:
AFAIK there is a .22 rifle that has been deemed to be an AK variant by TPTB. If it looks like an AK then it is automatically a 'variant' of an AK and prohibited.

I don't believe this rifle will ever be given non restricted status.

Dream on but it will never happen.
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Lol. Welcome the the forums. You should have a good stay.
 
fenceline said:
I wasn't saying it hasn't been done. I'm saying it is false to assume anything that looks like an AK is automatically an AK is a variant.

The vz58 is proof alone of that. It gets called an AK all the time.

As for a snowballs chance, again, I say false.
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The VZ came in through the back door in the same manner as the swiss rifles, look what is on the cards for them.
 
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