BD38, Swiss Arms, Kriss...

Another letter off to the P.M.'s office. It is time to stop being the silent majority. I will not vote for a party that refuses to recognize me as a law abiding citizen . Every one who belongs to CGN should/ must contact the P.M.O. and demand your rights be given back by repealing Bill C-68.
 
Any person that owns a semi auto firearm this affects you , we must dig in a fight hard on this one .. Start writing letters now , phone calls , protests , contact your MPs ... They wont stop, they just chip away at the block slowly till we are like Australia a complete nanny state ..
 
"BD38, Swiss Arms, Kriss..." ... Walther G22, Armi Jager AP80/"anything that looks like an AK-47", GSG 522/"anything that looks like an MP5", High Standard 10B, Type 97A, FN SCAR 16S, Zoraki 914 and 925... I could probably think of more if I gave myself more time - and this is just in the last 10 years - not taking into account the debacle that occurred in the 1990s, or the list of firearms that are still lingering in "no FRT issued" purgatory.

Of the firearms (and non-firearms/blank guns) listed above, all of them except the GSG and the SCAR actually made it out into public hands before the rug was pulled. The "Canadian Firearms Program" is literally making it up as they go along. A law unto themselves.

It's not just a few isolated cases. Civilian ownership of firearms is dying... rapidly... from death by a thousand cuts. I've tried to be involved as much as I can over the years. I'm getting more involved as of today.
 
Unfortunately writing letters only does so much, as they need to read them for them to be effective. Also only the person that they are sent to even knows they exist, so if they choose to throw them out, they go unheard. It's time for more then letter writing, its time for people to organize together and stand up to this BS. We should start organizing and protesting for our rights, as if we don't force ourselves to be heard and seen, we wont be.
 
ghostie said:
"BD38, Swiss Arms, Kriss..." ... Walther G22, Armi Jager AP80/"anything that looks like an AK-47", GSG 522/"anything that looks like an MP5", High Standard 10B, Type 97A, FN SCAR 16S, Zoraki 914 and 925... I could probably think of more if I gave myself more time - and this is just in the last 10 years - not taking into account the debacle that occurred in the 1990s, or the list of firearms that are still lingering in "no FRT issued" purgatory.

Of the firearms (and non-firearms/blank guns) listed above, all of them except the GSG and the SCAR actually made it out into public hands before the rug was pulled. The "Canadian Firearms Program" is literally making it up as they go along. A law unto themselves.

It's not just a few isolated cases. Civilian ownership of firearms is dying... rapidly... from death by a thousand cuts. I've tried to be involved as much as I can over the years. I'm getting more involved as of today.
Click to expand...

Looking at that list, none were overturned as a result of a Section 74 hearing. The problem is that the law supports the RCMP/SFSS.
The solution is political/legislative.
 
tiriaq said:
Looking at that list, none were overturned as a result of a Section 74 hearing. The problem is that the law supports the RCMP/SFSS.
The solution is political/legislative.
Click to expand...

I agree with you 100%. The solution has to be political.

I can say confidently, with great regret, that the courts will NOT do anything for firearms owners on statutory interpretation issues. Period. Full stop... and everyone from the RCMP to the antis are fully aware of this.

As someone who argues cases in court for a living, and was legal counsel in several of these firearms statutory interpretation cases... it really burns me that there isn't a judge in this country who will interpret any of the law in a way that favours lawful firearms owners. I usually tell people... where it is about the person (did he store/transport/use/transfer his firearms properly, should he get a criminal record, can he get his guns back, his licence back, etc.) I've been able to do TONS for people. But where it is about the "gun"/the "thing" itself, I haven't - and no lawyer in Canada has - been able to accomplish anything. "Is it a prohibited firearm - because it falls within the definition of automatic firearm in the Criminal Code" (T97A, my case in Vancouver was called R. v. Tereshchak, but there are at least two others); "Is it a cartridge magazine - as that term is defined in the regulations - despite the fact that it isn't capable of holding anything or feeding anything into the chamber of any firearm" (AR-15 magazine bodies case, R. v. Cancade, another one of mine - probably one of the worst decisions in Canadian legal history); "Is it a "variant" of an AK-47, despite the fact that it doesn't share a single common part, feature or operating principle with the AK-47" (R. v. Henderson from Ontario - another candidate for one of the worst decisions in Canadian legal history)... and on, and on it goes... there isn't a single case interpreting the Firearms Act, the Criminal Code or the Regulations in the past 20 years that is in favour of firearms owners. (The original Henderson decision was one small bright light, which was overturned on appeal). There have been way more favourable decisions from the RCMP than there have been from the courts. The courts are completely and utterly unwilling to go against the government on the issue of the interpretation of firearms law. It's maddening.

I will get involved in further statutory interpretation firearms cases, and fight them to the hilt, but at this point it is more a matter of making it difficult, time consuming and expensive for the RCMP to achieve their objectives - in order to try and get them to stop or at least slow down. No one should have any expectation that a court in this country will side with firearms owners - because it simply doesn't happen. Ever since Hasselwander (1993, post-École Polytechnique time) it has just been one defeat after another on these kinds of issues: Is it readily convertable to full automatic? Is it a variant of a named prohib? Is it a cartridge magazine? Is it a converted auto?

Is it even worth asking these questions in a court? WE NEED A NEW FIREARMS ACT!!! That is the only answer to this disaster of gray areas, uncertainty, interpretation and criminal consequences we find ourselves in now.
 
Last edited:
Blaxsun is right.

This is only the beginning.

They are going to go after everything that has come in since '94. CZ / VZ, XCR, Tavor, SAN, etc. Maybe even revisit the trusty AR again?
 
Everyone should be making it known loud and clear constantly to the conservatives that you want this mess fixed, you should all also be joining our firearms orgs.
 
mattf87 said:
Unfortunately writing letters only does so much, as they need to read them for them to be effective. Also only the person that they are sent to even knows they exist, so if they choose to throw them out, they go unheard. It's time for more then letter writing, its time for people to organize together and stand up to this BS. We should start organizing and protesting for our rights, as if we don't force ourselves to be heard and seen, we wont be.
Click to expand...

This...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom