Its not that hard to get a bad batch of ammo from a manufacturer. Sounds like that is what happened with the 93. soft skins, irregular basses, undersized any which of these will cause keyholing. Its obviously the ammo as it occurred in three different rifles and switching ammo cured the problem. Its not the rifles.
Norinco .223 ammo
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Ar180shooter
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I got half a crate of 95 and it shoots well enough in my 1 in 10 Swiss Arms. I shot a service rifle match last weekend and it performed quite well during the 500 and 400 yard deliberates. I dropped a few points, but this was due to not compensating properly for the cross wind. Almost all the shots were within a 12" circle, centered about 6" from the edge of the V bull.
Ar180shooter
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If you think that's intense, check out the video.
Steve Janes
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Ok, sorry for the thread revival here, but I saw someone with a chronograph at the range today and so did some testing. I knew this ammo was hot but WOW, 3276 fps is really hot!!!
Both loads are hotter than most, but the CJ93 is consistently hotter.
Norinco 55gr, Yellow Box, head stamp CJ93-
With the NR XCR:
3252 fps
3191 fps
3256 fps
3205 fps
3173 fps
With the NR Swiss:
3276 fps
3269 fps
3197 fps
3241 fps
3264 fps
Norinco 55gr SPAM CAN, head stamp CJ95-
With NR XCR:
3169 fps
3080 fps
3143 fps
3190 fps
3156 fps
With NR Swiss:
3203 fps
3180 fps
3133 fps
3142 fps
3117 fps
Both loads are hotter than most, but the CJ93 is consistently hotter.
Norinco 55gr, Yellow Box, head stamp CJ93-
With the NR XCR:
3252 fps
3191 fps
3256 fps
3205 fps
3173 fps
With the NR Swiss:
3276 fps
3269 fps
3197 fps
3241 fps
3264 fps
Norinco 55gr SPAM CAN, head stamp CJ95-
With NR XCR:
3169 fps
3080 fps
3143 fps
3190 fps
3156 fps
With NR Swiss:
3203 fps
3180 fps
3133 fps
3142 fps
3117 fps
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Steve, I pulled 5 random rounds with my bullet puller, they all measured .224" '95 stuff
Steve Janes
CGN frequent flyer
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My spam cans say CJ-5-25, and it's the CJ95
Steve Janes
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Ya the extreme yaw was experienced with the '93 mostly, that being said, this is appearing to be mainly a gun/barrel issue, especially seeing what NZA's 1in9" twist did when shot out
The can I have is marked CJ-5-20 and it's CJ95.
Out of my DD Mk18 this round makes a good sized fire ball
Steve Janes
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I have a case with head stamps CJ 95 that I've had some failure to feed's because the bullet set back into the case when gun (NEA-15) tried to go into battery. 5 in the first 40 rounds I fired did this. Not too impressed with that. At this rate I will have 200 rounds that are no good. I have mic'd a couple and they seem to be .224...
Anyone have this issue?
Other than that, I like the ammo. It seems hot, like others have mentioned.
Anyone have this issue?
Other than that, I like the ammo. It seems hot, like others have mentioned.
Steve Janes
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Maybe. I never thought of that. It works fine with AE and S&B. I have about 400 rounds of that run through the gun with zero malfunctions...
Steve Janes
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I am part of a small group of shooters, we recently did a group buy of the CJ95, and have run about 3000 rounds so far between the group of us, in that time, through 4 different guns (a Swiss, 2 different XCR's, and a DD mk18), we haven't seen any malfunctions that could be attributed to the ammunition.
I did however see some light primer strikes on some of the CJ95 with a friends NEA SBR
Runningfool
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I had a similar issue but it turned out to be a mag-related issue. Were you using the Norinco ammo in a LAR mag by chance? The Norinco 223 I had was 2 thou longer than the Federal AE stuff I had...that increase in OAL combined with the crappy followers in my LAR mags seemed to be what caused the occasional stoppage where the projectile ended up shoved into the case like you described. After installing Magpul followers in the LAR mags I've never had the problem since.
