I'm about to purchase my first pistol (first restricted as well) and before i head down to the store i was wondering what i need to do for the transfer. As in what do I specifically need to do. Do i just go into the store and make the ourchase and the store handles all the paperwork, or are there forms or some step at which i need to be involved?
probably a noob question but...
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Cocked&Locked
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the store will do all the paper work. have your PAL and drivers license. They will want to know what club you belong to. Pay them, they'll call in the transfer, call you in a few days to come pick up.
when you go to pick up, bring a case that you can lock, big enough to hold the firearm with a trigger lock on it, and a trigger lock. Also have your PAL and ID. thats it.
Scott Bear
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If they deliver it to your door you won't need the STATT. If you have to pick it up from the post office you will need the STATT to take it from the post office to your house.
Cocked&Locked
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Most stores will have that waiting for you, as the CFO will email directly to the store. That's how the store knows when to call you. (in ontario that is, your millage may vary else where)
really? i've been told firearms cease to be firearms when packaged for delivery. and return to being uberdangerous when they leave the cardboard box. At least that was the notion i got hearing all the stories of people simply running out to the post office when the delivery guy leaves a note. can someone confirm or deny?
Cocked&Locked
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depends who you ask.....if you don't know the package your picking up is a fire arm..how do you get an ATT?
The advice you received was poor legal advice. It was however what many people choose to do. As a first time firearm owner, I'd suggest you take your legal advice only from your own lawyer, or the firearms program people. The firearms program people will tell you to get an STATT to go to the post office, and since its free, and only takes about 5 minutes on the phone to get, I'd suggest complying. You don't want to be in a situation where you need to pay your lawyer to make up for poor advice from CGN.
Scott Bear
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Excellent advice. Cover your @ss and call the CFC. Better than trusting opinions on the internet. Every time I've done a restricted transfer they tell me I will need a STATT to pick it up. Unless you have multiple packages showing up all the time how would you not know that it was your firearm being delivered? Might be hard to argue that in court (a "notion" would be harder). Following your line of logic it would cease to be a firearm once locked and in a locked case, but you still need an LTATT when you take it to the range. A LTATT will NOT cover the trip from the post office to your house (you need the STATT). This seems counter intuitive, but that is the way they do it. Don't forget you are dealing with an organization that requires no prerequisites (degree, intelligence etc.) to get elected and make rules that you must follow. That piece of paper will not stop crime (which is its intention), but it will keep you from losing your licence or worse. I know it doesn't make sense and that there are flaws with the system (there is the possibility you don't know what is in the package, why does the mail man not need an STATT or firearms licence etc.), but, as stated above, don't take any chances and cover your @ss. The last thing you want is to be pulled over for speeding or having a light out and them discovering a firearm in your vehicle without the proper paper work.
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Scott Bear
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I think all this should have been covered in your firearms course? I don't think mine went into that much detail.
By the way, what did you buy?
By the way, what did you buy?
The mailman doesn't need an ATT or PAL because it's illegal for him to open the package. He doesn't even get to know the contents unless they're listed on the outaide of the box. If he opens the box he's already in a world of ####. That gun in a box can't become a gun not-in-a-box within the postal system without someone breaking the law as it is. You on the other hand are allowed to open your own mail anywhere and anywhen you please. So you could pick up the package and excitedly open it on the trunk of your car outside the post office if you wanted to. At that point, if an officer saw you or pulled you over as you drove home he'd ask for an ATT, which you don't have.
It doesn't make the whole ATT thing make sense, but within the bounds of the ATT rules it does make sense why the postman doesn't need to have one.
It doesn't make the whole ATT thing make sense, but within the bounds of the ATT rules it does make sense why the postman doesn't need to have one.
Canada Post is specifically exempted from the transport regulations, that's why the mailman doesn't need an ATT. From the regulations:
3. These Regulations do not apply to the storage and transportation of a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun in the course of transmission by post within Canada from the time the firearm or handgun is posted to the time it is delivered to the addressee, within the meaning of subsection 2(2) of the Canada Post Corporation Act, or returned to the sender.
SOR/2004-277, s. 3.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-209/FullText.html
I also inquired of the CFC the last time I got an ATT for a stripped lower receiver from the post office whether I was supposed to open my mail, trigger lock it, and then put it in a locked case right there in the post office. They said the transport laws with regard to locks etc don't apply to the sealed package while in transit from the post office to my home. I don't get it, but that's what they said.
I strong suggest that you get this advice yourself rather than relying on my anecdote though. Perhaps if enough of us ask them these questions, they'll be telling their bosses how ambiguous the laws are too and we can get them corrected through pressure from both sides.
I strong suggest that you get this advice yourself rather than relying on my anecdote though. Perhaps if enough of us ask them these questions, they'll be telling their bosses how ambiguous the laws are too and we can get them corrected through pressure from both sides.
that is pretty much the exact same line that i heard from somewhere else which is whats confusing me. anyhow better safe than sorry right? thanks again for the info.
If you're in BC you will need to have an existing LTATT before the CFO will authorize the transfer of a restricted firearm to you. It's BC's CFO policy not to register restricteds to anyone without a LTATT in place.
