2013 IPSC Canadian Nationals
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Sadly, I was on a squad at the Nationals in Halifax a couple of years ago where the only people who were patching were the members of the Gold Team. The rest of the squad sat on their asses and complained that they were shooters and that there should be dedicated workers patching for them. Every time I passed one a roll of patches, they made a face and it was 50/50 whether they would actually do something with it.
#### no, and the idea itself is inherently stupid at best unless it was just an opinion. my apologies if this comes off harsh but lacking word from the actual range/organizers one would hate to see such a stupid opinion turn into policy binding all.
but its not the same for everyone. one guy gets to work the morning setting steel then shoot the toughest stages of the match while another gets to shoot those stages fresh. there is no reason you cant patch your own squad while you shoot. it works at every area championship, every US nationals. why do some Canadians have this feeling of entitlement that precludes them from being able to patch for the rest of their squad while shooting? Ontario was able to do this and the sky didn't fall.
At some point some one has to work. Is it fair to have paint all over your hands from setting steel when you're up after the next shooter? Is it fair to be out in the much pasting targets when you're still trying to figure out the stage and get a mental game going? I'd rather work separately from shooting, even if that means in the morning before I shoot. Ideally at a Nationals, shooters wouldn't have to work at all. Anyone who's shot big matches in Europe knows what I am talking about. I'd happily pay an extra $50 or $100 dollars to see some cadets or other local kids group setting and patching targets.
I don't know why we can't get dedicated CROs and ROs, maybe because all our guys want to shoot the main match? We might have a large group of officials, but it seems like none of them want to miss out on being competitive.
I don't know why we can't get dedicated CROs and ROs, maybe because all our guys want to shoot the main match? We might have a large group of officials, but it seems like none of them want to miss out on being competitive.
Sure you do - the guys in the U.S. get paid. There are far more shooters than the top guys who place a premium on being competitive and we can certainly staff matches with them. Besides, maybe some people would relish in seeing matches run by others than these 'top guys'...
It would be interesting to find out exactly but take a big area match in the U.S., I'll bet the officials get more than the match shirt and fees paid for. Maybe their sense of volunteerism is higher?
For true impartiality (or at least the optics of impartiality) the MD, RM, and RO's/CRO's should not be competing in the main match, have a mini match for them prior to the main match, it's good to have them debug the stages in this way. Can you imagine some other sports where competitors would get to officiate each other? Imagine NASCAR if other drivers from the race were acting as stewards and able to penalize other drivers and teams. What would hockey be like if the teams supplied their own officials during games? For that matter can you think what would happen if Max Michel gave Eric G a procedural at the world shoot and then went on to win the match? Whether Eric really earned the procedural or not there would be cries of foul.
off topic..however...I was at the Restigouche range yesterday. The range has had SIGNIFICANT improvements! Hard to believe how much it has improved....the plane stage.........has cool and awesome all over it. It was not set up for stages or anything, but the parts were there....
I don't think they don't have enough RO-CRO to have stable RO teams on each stage, I think they just planned it differently
Opinions are important and ideas should never be discouraged.... however there is sometimes a fine line between offering suggestions and #####ing (and I admit: the written word makes this line far harder to distinguish).
My suggestion to those who dislike the arrangements is to lead by example. Get involved and help put on a National Championship match. Offer to do the work and make things right. Make changes from the inside by showing how you can do a superior job. That way everyone wins, and those that follow you will usually steal your great improvements and entrench them in the way things are done.
-ivan-
p.s. While I would rather not work in the morning and shoot in the afternoon: if the squadding turns out that way: I won't ##### about it... it's either the luck of the draw, or I'm being picked on: either way no one wants to hear me complain.
My suggestion to those who dislike the arrangements is to lead by example. Get involved and help put on a National Championship match. Offer to do the work and make things right. Make changes from the inside by showing how you can do a superior job. That way everyone wins, and those that follow you will usually steal your great improvements and entrench them in the way things are done.
-ivan-
p.s. While I would rather not work in the morning and shoot in the afternoon: if the squadding turns out that way: I won't ##### about it... it's either the luck of the draw, or I'm being picked on: either way no one wants to hear me complain.
Interesting: I had no idea this forum had an auto-correction of banned words (see my post above where the 5 letter root of the word "#####ing" was auto-corrected to #####
It makes me want to test out the list by typing in the following words:
#####
####
#####
### and ####
oh: and don't forget ######-#### (that one's a clasic).
-ivan-
It makes me want to test out the list by typing in the following words:
#####
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#####
### and ####
oh: and don't forget ######-#### (that one's a clasic).
-ivan-
You know I had a long response typed out then I realized I just don't care that much to actually post it. I'll go back to the nationals when I feel someone puts together a match worthy of the title "Nationals" in the meantime I'll shoot matches locally and ones like the big area matches in the US and the US Nationals and enjoy the sport.
I understand your sentiment and value your opinion, but I caution you not to cut off your nose to spite your face. It's difficult to know beforehand the quality of the match based on the match copy.... a more reliable indicator is the work done by those putting on the match.
I am optimistic that this year's Nationals will be a great one, but if it weren't that wouldn't prevent me from going the Nationals the year after (but it would stop me from going back to the particular range/province that put on the bad match).
-ivan-
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