Oh god 223 prep is so long, I wish I had a super 1050 with rt1200b trimmer.

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Takes so long to clean 1000 brass, then deprime, then swage, then resize, then clean again, then trim, chamfer, debur.....

Could all be done so much faster on a super 1050 :|

The super swage is fine, it's just that even if it's super fast, you still have to handle all of those 1000 brass one at a time and pull the lever. jeez.

I figure, start with clean and primed brass, then it gets deprimed, then lube die then trim and size, then swage, then at the end you have brass that is resized, swaged and trimmed. all you need is a pull of the lever per brass.
then clean again, and then onto the powder bullet and crimp head.

Any opinions? I'm just lacking 2000$ to put into this.
 
I use a Giraud case trimmer, works as quick as an electric pencil sharpener on a resized case. Trim, outside and inside chamfer in one go.

ht tp://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm

I use a vibratory case cleaner with corn cop to remove the lube. It's claimed that 20/40 corn cob doesn't hang up on flash holes.
(Wish that is what I have :-(
 
You could offer a homeless guy a sandwich in trade for having him prep all your brass.

Seriously though, it would be interesting if some enterprising guy offered case prep work at gunstores/ranges.
 
Here's a solution, buy Lapua brass.

Ok, so you only have to swage the primer pockets the first time if you are using brass that has a crimped primer. A Giraud or Gracey trimmer will save you a ton of time and you only need to trim every 4th or 5th time after the first trim.

I find the bottleneck in the whole loading operation is measuring powder. I weigh every charge to within .02 gr.
 
Loose that automatic weapon and spend that $2000 on a single shot rifle and you will find your dilemma solved. Bet you won't shoot 500 rds in a year instead of a month like now and you will become a much better shot to boot.
 
I found powder measuring the tedious part. I suddenly became far less OCD about my powder weights after the first 500 rounds. Now I use the ribs charge master combo and regret nothing.
 
+1 RCBS Charge Master for long range

I'm not trying to shoot beyond 400 meter with .223 Rem so I'm satisfied with plain volumetric powder measure for that.

I'm getting setup to run the Charge Master for long-range .308 Win powder metering...
 
I only do precision charge for target loads on a bolt action.
The semi autos get volume charged 223, and it's good enough.
 
I have a 1050 with autodrive and Giraud trimmer come on over and use it if ya want....

I still load them on one of my 650's, you need to keep in mind that even with a 1050 you will need to sort all your brass by head stamp
For a proper swage...
 
I don't sort my brass for swaging, but you are right some brass stays a bit tighter and some gets slack easily.
All the mil brass seem to swage ok with this setting, and the few winchester brass that I have seem to overenlarge at the pocket.
I am reprocessing/swaging all my 1000 223 brass, because I am not sure anymore what has been trimmed or swaged, and once that's done, if I ever buy more 223 brass, I'll get it single headstamp and be done with this issue I guess.

Swaging on the super swage is quick, it's just that it's one more step of handling the brass and cranking a handle 1000 times.

As for the giraud trimmer, it's a nice piece of equipment, but it's still one more individual handling of the brass. I would rather have the dillon trimmer do it while resizing, and while the cases are delivered with the casefeeder. Save a step.
 
The full Dillon setup is slick and optimal workflow, I'll grant you that. I'm less excited about doing full progressive for bottleneck brass.

Doing so leaves no opportunity to gage the fully-prepped case before priming, powdering and adding a projectile.
With the Dillon, a smart reloader should be prepared to tear down a certain percentage of the production because it fails
to gage out correctly because the resized brass could not meet spec The other problem with the Dillon is that you won't be able to detect those cases with excessively large
primer pockets after the swaging step. I reject a certain portion of candidate cases coming out of the Super Swage 600 because the
toolpiece just falls into the primer pocket with no resistance. That is a sign that you would either have a primer fall out later,
or gas will leak by on firing, eroding your firearm's expensive breachface. I discard those over-large pocket pieces of brass too.
 
You would be hard pressed to get the bullets to stay in the cases with out the case mouth taper, the dillon trimmer puts a straight cut on the brass, un like the Guirad that has a three way cutter head... I perfer the three way cutter as it adds to the reliability of the bullet feeder when loading the finished brass...
 
JOJOPINTO said:
You would be hard pressed to get the bullets to stay in the cases with out the case mouth taper, the dillon trimmer puts a straight cut on the brass, un like the Guirad that has a three way cutter head... I perfer the three way cutter as it adds to the reliability of the bullet feeder when loading the finished brass...
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Boat tail bullets.
 
Just take the plunge and buy a dillon electric case trimmer and super 1050. It's worth it. The hours you save in a year are worth it. Not to mention if you don't want it years from now you can sell it
 
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