Bear defence...what would you do?

Do these same regulations apply in BC as well? Am going into the brush like 2 hours out from Prince George area with a research team to collect some soil samples... we were told to carry some bear deterrant with our field safety kit... but I figured "bear" as in a tiny little baby black bear that'll run away when I yell at it... now people are saying things thatll "stalk" and "chase"?.... should I look into bringing a 12 ga?



http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfd/library/documents/bib22777.htm
quote from that link
"If a grizzly bear attacks, roll into a ball on the ground protecting your face and stomach.."

In BC, all you need to carry a non restricted gun is a valid firearms license. There is no assumption you are poaching if you are simply packing a gun in the bush. Handguns require a bit more paperwork, and will only be authorized for work purposes.

You will be in black and grizzly country in the area you are heading to, so a 12 gauge or larger caliber rifle is advised. Chances are you won't need it, but if you do you will need it now and you will need it to do its job. I've worked many years in the bush, and the closest I've came to having problems with bears has always been when I wasn't packing my gun.

Bear spray can work well in the right situation, but can also fail or be ineffective. I've seen too many people spray themselves accidentally and too many failed cans (wouldn't spray, trigger broke off, wouldn't shut off once triggered etc) to trust it alone for bear protection, unless it is the only option.

The best bear defence weapon is between your ears however. Being attentive and vigilant to what is going on around you will allow most incidents with bears to be prevented. In the case where it cannot be prevented, it will allow you to respond in an appropriate and timely manner to save yourself or others around you.
 
. Completely different reaction, he became immediately super aggressive and charged full bore into a loaded 12 ga with slugs, end of experiment!! Conclusion was that initially bear spray does work however, you don't want to be the 2nd poor sucker to try it. .

My old man said exactly that, except this was his first time sprayign the bear. he had a 30second window and the bear went into full rage. luckily his truck was not far so he got out. Never again.
 
The best bear defence weapon is between your ears however. Being attentive and vigilant to what is going on around you will allow most incidents with bears to be prevented. In the case where it cannot be prevented, it will allow you to respond in an appropriate and timely manner to save yourself or others around you.

Quote of the day... I drink to that.

And I'll still carry a big Bear spray can on my belt. I'm also glad I'm not in BC. The bears we have in Qc are much smaller.

This clip gives good advices on how to use it (train, test, etc...)

The product they show in the clip are rather small. Again I have the bigger version
Select products with 290+ grams and 2% (Highest approved by EPA) Capsaicin and Related Capsaicinoids

There have been petitions to increase the concentration of active Capsaicin and Related Capsaicinoids but as stated above, too many people keep spraying themselves. Increasing concentration might be a good idea for dithering bears but deadly if it blows back on the user.
 
In BC, all you need to carry a non restricted gun is a valid firearms license. There is no assumption you are poaching if you are simply packing a gun in the bush. Handguns require a bit more paperwork, and will only be authorized for work purposes.

You will be in black and grizzly country in the area you are heading to, so a 12 gauge or larger caliber rifle is advised. Chances are you won't need it, but if you do you will need it now and you will need it to do its job. I've worked many years in the bush, and the closest I've came to having problems with bears has always been when I wasn't packing my gun.

Bear spray can work well in the right situation, but can also fail or be ineffective. I've seen too many people spray themselves accidentally and too many failed cans (wouldn't spray, trigger broke off, wouldn't shut off once triggered etc) to trust it alone for bear protection, unless it is the only option.

The best bear defence weapon is between your ears however. Being attentive and vigilant to what is going on around you will allow most incidents with bears to be prevented. In the case where it cannot be prevented, it will allow you to respond in an appropriate and timely manner to save yourself or others around you.

Good post
 
my doberman love the stuff. the dog was behind the fence one dayand some jack tried spraying him.all it did was make him pissed. he basicaly licked it in the air.
 
With an ATC I can have the best of both worlds.

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I wonder why nobody talks about their failed bear hunt where the target got away with lead in its butt.
Or about the dead hikers/hunters with a discharged sidearm close to the body.

Speaking of which... I thought this picture might be sorta useful for those with legal to use potent firearms. Note how small is the vital area when the monster stands up.

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Ok now to loosen up this debate.

I may not have 2000 pounds Grizzlies with a taste for Mexican food in my area but have you ever came across one of these?
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Unless your name is Bob Munden, you're ain't going to hit the target before it rips your nuts out.
 
I just about got sprayed by my wife reading this. It's 1:30 am and I'm literally laughing my a$$ off. Cajun sauce lol great thread! Make it a sticky.

After all that laughing in all seriousness carry a gun. Mine is always with me even when checking cameras etc. I never go off the road without my ole faithful 12 gauge. Loaded yes. I normally do have a small game license with me which is really because I shoot coyotes everytime I see them. But I didn't even know you had to carry it just to carry a gun.

Listen to the logic here. So there's no provincial legislation about carrying a non restricted firearm. But if somewhere where animals are present you need a hunting license. So you mean if I walk around downtown Toronto or around my neighbourhood I'm ok without??? Lol
 
I'm not a fan of spray and pray. The effective range is too short, and there are too many variables to ensure a reasonable expectation of a desirable outcome. The key to success is preventing the bear from making physical contact with you; he can't hurt you, if he can't touch you. There are all sorts of environmental elements that can interfere with the stream of bear spray from landing effectively on the target, but worse is the risk of incapacitation of the individual who is still in a dangerous bear situation. Heavy vegetation and wind are both considerations in regard to back splatter, and if a bear comes into your tent, do you really want to unloose that can of bear spray?

Firearm failures on the other hand are directly related to the mindset and prowess of the shooter. Clearly there are some people who are incapable of protecting themselves with a firearm, but that shouldn't have any bearing on those of us who can. Defensive shooting requires a different skill set than hunting does. In hunting we are mostly conditioned to making a chest shot. The hunter is concerned with a shot that produces a quick humane death, and the chest provides a large target that can be hit from almost any angle. Typically though, it takes several minutes for a large animal to suffocate or bleed out from a chest wound, as its oxygen deprivation that ultimately kills the brain.

In defensive shooting that won't do. Defensive shooting requires the shot to instantly stop the bear's forward progression; which isn't necessarily a kill shot. A CNS shot will stop the action in a suitable fashion, but in another circumstance, if the bear is focused on a companion, it might be safer to hit a large supporting bone, which is farther away from your companion, and gives you time to reposition to safely make a kill shot. The bear that comes directly towards you provides the easiest marksmanship problem to solve. The bear's length coincides with the path of the bullet, so its not difficult to hit the centerline of the head or the spine, even when shooting quickly. Just shooting the bear in the head isn't the answer though. When viewed from the front, the brain is only the width of the snout, and it lies behind the eyes to the front and ahead of the ears to the rear. When the massive head of a bear appears in front of you at close range, it is very distracting, but the center is always the center. A shot that hits a bit high still cuts the spine. If the bear's head is swinging back and forth, the "stationary" spine is a safer bet. The point is that filling your sights with hair and pulling the trigger likely won't improve the situation. The bear might approach you from above or below, or quartering towards you, all of which present complications, so think of the target in 3 dimensional terms.
 
told this story before but will tell it again. I most always carry a gun when in the bush regardless of hunting seasons or not.
About a dozen years ago I was charged by the game wardens for having a high powered rifle in open bear season without a licence. I informed the guy that I always carried a rifle when in the woods for my protection and I was not hunting. He said tell the judge.
When the summons came I returned it and indicated I was not paying (three hundred and some dollars) and wanted to go to court. My defense would be, the simple fact that I had a inherent right to defend and protect myself and I did not need a license to do so.
A few weeks later the warden dropped by and said they were dropping the charge as there was no evidence that I was hunting.
I continue to carry a firearm but now if I know there is a open season I will get a license just to avoid problems.
 
told this story before but will tell it again. I most always carry a gun when in the bush regardless of hunting seasons or not.
About a dozen years ago I was charged by the game wardens for having a high powered rifle in open bear season without a licence. I informed the guy that I always carried a rifle when in the woods for my protection and I was not hunting. He said tell the judge.
When the summons came I returned it and indicated I was not paying (three hundred and some dollars) and wanted to go to court. My defense would be, the simple fact that I had a inherent right to defend and protect myself and I did not need a license to do so.
A few weeks later the warden dropped by and said they were dropping the charge as there was no evidence that I was hunting.
I continue to carry a firearm but now if I know there is a open season I will get a license just to avoid problems.

if they had let you go to court , that may have forced Ontario to fall in line with the western provinces .
 
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I'm planning a trim into the middle of nowhere in nothern ontario, Hudsons bay. just me and my boy who turns 15 next week. Man I'm getting old. Anyways, I was debating between a Rossi Marie's leg in 44mag 240jsp or the chiappa 357 that has similar muzzle energy and is more reliable action because theyre compact and I could get one of those thigh holsters, or my dominion grizzly 12.5 with box mag. The regs say slugs, if hunting bear, since im not hunting would 00 buck be enough and can I have a full mag? And last choice would be a 870 super magnum 12ga with slugs/ 00buck.

Ill get 3 cans of bear spray, and can I get my kid to carry one? Or just get him some clown shoes so he makes a lot of noise while walking?
 
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