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APRA had every reason to kick out the CSRA. Most of us have a pretty good idea what happened but apparently as long as one does not confess to wrong doing nobody is really interested in pursuing it. A real shame that the deeds of a few ruined it for everyone.
 
I think don't think that this will ever be set right... the worst enemies of the shooting sports are some of those that claim it as their own. The shear level of nasty underhandedness on the part of some in the main parent club to get rid of the csra was stunning!
 
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Ran into an APRA member a while back at a Brooks Pistol Match.

In their defense, they only sometimes know the lies that they were told by other APRA members. I think it was a bit uncomfortable for this member when he started to hear some of the facts surrounding the removal of the CSRA from the APRA. He had no idea what really happended.

Let's just say he had his eyes opened.

Rich
 
Seafury said:
APRA had every reason to kick out the CSRA. Most of us have a pretty good idea what happened but apparently as long as one does not confess to wrong doing nobody is really interested in pursuing it. A real shame that the deeds of a few ruined it for everyone.
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Sitting here as an outsider, I have a lot of trouble swallowing that, even after reading the lame explanation posted on their website. How exactly does that work? In any legitimate club/organization I've ever been a member of, membership payments get sent to the organization's membership secretary, not to the head(s) of the various disciplines within the organization. If the head(s) of any discipline within the organization does something that violates the charter, they get disciplined, removed from their position and possibly kicked out of the organization. But the discipline itself lives on. That person is simply replaced. The rest of membership, who had no part in it, are not also kicked out.

The reason you're still allowed to buy an AR-15, the reason it was spared from the prohibited list in C-68 is largely because the DCRA made the case that it is used in Service Rifle matches at the provincial and national level. So, when a so-called PRA takes this type of action, they aren't just hurting the Service Rifle shooters in their province (people they are supposed to represent if they're a legitimate PRA), they're hurting black rifle owners across the country. They're directly helping the Coalition for Gun Control build their case for the elimination of black rifle ownership in Canada. There is no excuse or justification for that, none whatsoever.
 
Try and join the APRA......

Starting cost is WELL OVER $200......AND THIS DOES NOT include DCRA membership

If you aren't a "belly shooter" from Calgary you need not apply.

They force you to JOIN HOMESTEAD AND one of their disciplines.

DCRA should take APRA from these guys !!
 
kombayotch said:
Sitting here as an outsider, I have a lot of trouble swallowing that, even after reading the lame explanation posted on their website. How exactly does that work? In any legitimate club/organization I've ever been a member of, membership payments get sent to the organization's membership secretary, not to the head(s) of the various disciplines within the organization. If the head(s) of any discipline within the organization does something that violates the charter, they get disciplined, removed from their position and possibly kicked out of the organization. But the discipline itself lives on. That person is simply replaced. The rest of membership, who had no part in it, are not also kicked out.
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The APRA is organized much more differently than the other PRAs. What was initially a fullbore rifle association has become an umbrella organization for various shooting associations registered under the Alberta Societies Act, each acting as independent disciplines. This has been a transformation that has grown out of the initial fullbore APRA having to create a new shooting facility at Homestead with the closure of the Sarcee training area adjacent to Calgary and other disciplines (benchrest & silhouette, fullbore rifle, pistol (IPSC), Swiss rifle/crossbow/pistol, and smallbore) building their ranges as part of the Homestead Centre in K-Country.

Time to lock this thread ... vitriol is getting splashed about.
 
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The APRA is organized much more differently than the other PRAs. What was initially a fullbore rifle association has become an umbrella organization for various shooting associations registered under the Alberta Societies Act, each acting as independent disciplines. This has been a transformation that has grown out of the initial fullbore APRA having to create a new shooting facility at Homestead with the closure of the Sarcee training area adjacent to Calgary and other disciplines (benchrest & silhouette, fullbore rifle, pistol (IPSC), Swiss rifle/crossbow/pistol, and smallbore) building their ranges as part of the Homestead Centre in K-Country.

Time to lock this thread ... vitriol is getting splashed about.
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Sorry, but the original APRA in 1905 was a Service Rifle club shooting this country's service rifle of the day.
And yes, kombayoch describes perfectly what action was taken by the APRA executive and describes the harm it does to every service rifle shooter in this country.
 
yeah, it is just awesome we get to travel to every other range in Alberta to participate in 3 gun matches etc. Perhaps opinions will one day change and we can foster this emerging sport in the Calgary area!
 
Rich LPS said:
Ran into an APRA member a while back at a Brooks Pistol Match.

In their defense, they only sometimes know the lies that they were told by other APRA members. I think it was a bit uncomfortable for this member when he started to hear some of the facts surrounding the removal of the CSRA from the APRA. He had no idea what really happended.

Let's just say he had his eyes opened.

Rich
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As a former APRA/AFRA member, I'd like to hear this side of the story. PM if you wish.

There were certainly parts of the structure of the Homestead facility and the various user groups that either struck me as odd at the least, or stuck in my craw. I certainly saw some (unfair) advantages enjoyed by one group over others...

From an AFRA newsletter in January 2012:

I went to an AFSS meeting in Edmonton on 16 January 2012. The distribution of the High Performance Grant money was the topic. The total HP Grant money is $29,000.00. This amount is to be divided up amongst the various groups that qualify. The groups that qualify are Shotgun (Trap & Skeet) Handgun and Rifle (Smallbore & Fullbore). To qualify it must be an Olympic or Commonwealth Games Event. The Grant money was to be 50% up front, and the 2nd 50% to be based on merit. Each group would get 1/3rd of $14,500.00 or $4,833.33. Rifle would then take the $4,833.33 and split this amount Smallbore 85% Fullbore 15% giving Fullbore $725.00. Initially Smallbore thought they should get 90% of the funds.




The 2nd $14,500.00 would be based on merit. The number of shooters each group had ranked 33rd or better in the world over the total number of shooters ranking 33rd or better would the divide up $14,500.00 based on ratio.





The above was discussed with the AFRA Executive. Based on the money we would get for the work involved, the Grant money was not worth pursuing. A letter was forwarded to the President of AFSS, stating the following position. The AFRA would withdraw from the HP Grant money if this formula was used to determine the allocation of said Grant money.





As this progresses, I will keep you informed.





The issues with the CSRA are ongoing. The following is a brief rundown of what has occurred.





The APRA discovered that the CSRA appeared to have paid only a portion of the money owed the APRA for membership dues in 2011. It did not appear that APRA membership dues had been forwarded to the APRA for the years 2007 to 2010.


A Statement of Fact was sent to the CSRA. A meeting has been held with the new representatives of the CSRA. A 'Roadmap Back' was sent via e-mail to as many CSRA members as possible. Another e-mail was again sent after the APRA AGM to the CSRA outlining what had occurred at the AGM.





As the issues with the CSRA are ongoing I have provided only minimal information. As the matter progresses I will continue to provide the AFRA membership with as much info as I can.
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To this excerpt from the February 2013 newsletter:

The following is a change of the AFRA Range Rules in light of the introduction of Service Rifle category in our regular AFRA Matches:

AFRA Restricted Rifle Policy

With the introduction of the Service Rifle category in our monthly club matches it is appropriate that we modify the APRA Policies regarding the use of restricted Rifles on the 900m rifle range.

· AFRA members in good standing are allowed to use Restricted Rifles, such as AR-15’s, on the 900m rifle range for practice and for matches
· All AFRA members that wish to use restricted rifles must send in a current and valid ATT (Authorization To Transport) to the AFRA Secretary Treasurer for validation and recording of the Application Number and Expiry Date. Copies of the ATT will then shredded once they have been verified. This is a CFO requirement and is mandatory for all AFRA members who wish to use restricted firearms on the 900m rifle range and Pistol Bay No. 1
· All AFRA Range Rules and Policies apply. It is the responsibility of any shooter using a semi-automatic rifle to insure that ejected brass cases do not interfere with or disrupt any other shooter on the firing line, e.g. use a device such as a brass catcher.
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