RFB - best.. rifle.. ever.

cr5 said:
The biggest problem I find with shooting a bullpup off a bench for accuracy is just supporting it properly. Once I figured out a way to rest my RFB so it didn't move my groups shrunk almost in half.
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My technique is to rest my hand-guard holding hand on the bag. In other words, hold the handguard with my support hand, and then rest the support hand on the bag. I find this more stable this way than any other rifle I have ever sighted.
 
Infinity said:
When they make one in 5.56 many of us will probably buy one.
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superlative said:
Now that's just fan boy talk. In the military's reliability tests, the M4 came last. The gas piston guns came first. So yeah. The truth.
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I'm actually thinking AR10 since we're talking big boy caliber 308 rifles.

And no I'm not a " fan boy " for AR platforms however there simplicity and use by Military and Law Enforcement around the world says enough.
 
cr5 said:
Why didn't you buy it?
Then factor in the cost to import it legally.
Plus I'm not 100% sure but I believe the US version has an 18 inch barrel as opposed to our Canada legal 18.5 inch making the US one restricted. Which if I'm right also means that we get a special run to meet our laws which drives up the prices.

People need to learn to stop comparing prices here to the US. Retailers down south move significantly higher volumes of rifles than Canadian retailers which gives them a much better price plus being made in the US with no import BS to deal with makes them cheaper.

irunguns has done great things to bridge the gap but there is only so much that can be done.
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i wouldn't put much faith on irunguns for to long. any scopes they bring in have no warranty, and most new guns they bring in will likely have no warranty as well, importers keep track of Canadian serial numbers, if a SN isnt in their system as Canadian. no warranty for you.
 
Hey fellas, are any of those of you in the know aware of any RFB's available on the new market? I have been trying to find one for a couple weeks, to no avail...

Cheers,
IR
 
IR-192 said:
Hey fellas, are any of those of you in the know aware of any RFB's available on the new market? I have been trying to find one for a couple weeks, to no avail...

Cheers,
IR
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Try contacting Lanz Shooting Supplies, I have seen some for sale there not too long ago..
 
superlative said:
pfft. I would. Gas impingement plus girly caliber plus weight in the wrong place plus super long size (compared with RFB) means the AR platform is vastly inferior.
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DI is hardly a detriment to reliability these days and has shown to be more accurate in the AR than piston systems. Since we were discussing the RFB, I was referring to .308 AR's, not the poodle shooters. The OAL means nothing to the vast majority of shooters, but I do agree that the AR could be better balanced.


Mark
 
There are many, many rifles that I would consider "better" than the RFB. The RFB is unique, in the fact that it is a 308 bull pup, but I would take almost any other semi auto military rifle in existence over it if I were to be using it in harms way. Try running an assortment of mags and an assortment of ammo, and it will quickly frustrate you with regards to reliability.
I have an RFB, I like it and have no intention of selling it. But to call it a Ferrari is way over it's head. That's my opinion, anyway.:)
 
8 ball said:
There are many, many rifles that I would consider "better" than the RFB. The RFB is unique, in the fact that it is a 308 bull pup, but I would take almost any other semi auto military rifle in existence over it if I were to be using it in harms way. Try running an assortment of mags and an assortment of ammo, and it will quickly frustrate you with regards to reliability.
I have an RFB, I like it and have no intention of selling it. But to call it a Ferrari is way over it's head. That's my opinion, anyway.:)
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My norinco 223 ammo is very inaccurate in my dd m4v5 and my 2 thermold 5/20 are jamomatic in the same dd m4v5. Does this means my dd is not a good rifle?
 
superlative said:
I hope you're not suggesting the Tavor. Hello? The RFB ejects the shell forward, and the recoil is adjustable. The engineering design of the RFB is brilliant and is a wonderful example of out-of-the-box thinking in a sport steeped in tradition.
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Yes I'm talking about the Tavor vs the RFB. The engineering design of the RFB was clever using a 1938 receiver design. They managed to bring decent ergos to the RFB with only a couple small issues. The mag release being one with the RFB and the reciprocating charging handle being another. The RFB uses a tilting block. There's no lock up with the bolt to the barrel extension. A number of us suspect this is why the cheap non brass ammo has given us improved accuracy over our match grade reloads. The quality of the internals is a very distant second to that of the Tavor.

The RFB hits a niche market and does use ingenuity. It's why I waited 3 years for one and was in very quickly once they were announced (Second shipment). But.... it's not the rifle the Tavor is.

As for the RFB vs an AR. The AR10 is a significantly nicer firearm. I would prefer firing the RFB off hand, but the quality of the AR10, the trigger and accuracy potential beat the RFB hands down. If the AR10 was non restricted, I most likely wouldn't own the RFB.

In terms of ergos: The Tavor also wins. The front ejection of the RFB is nice. But... non reciprocating charging handle on the Tavor vs Reciprocating on the RFB, quick mag changes with the Tavor, not with the RFB.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Yes I'm talking about the Tavor vs the RFB. The engineering design of the RFB was clever using a 1938 receiver design. They managed to bring decent ergos to the RFB with only a couple small issues. The mag release being one with the RFB and the reciprocating charging handle being another. The RFB uses a tilting block. There's no lock up with the bolt to the barrel extension. A number of us suspect this is why the cheap non brass ammo has given us improved accuracy over our match grade reloads. The quality of the internals is a very distant second to that of the Tavor.

The RFB hits a niche market and does use ingenuity. It's why I waited 3 years for one and was in very quickly once they were announced (Second shipment). But.... it's not the rifle the Tavor is.

As for the RFB vs an AR. The AR10 is a significantly nicer firearm. I would prefer firing the RFB off hand, but the quality of the AR10, the trigger and accuracy potential beat the RFB hands down. If the AR10 was non restricted, I most likely wouldn't own the RFB.

In terms of ergos: The Tavor also wins. The front ejection of the RFB is nice. But... non reciprocating charging handle on the Tavor vs Reciprocating on the RFB, quick mag changes with the Tavor, not with the RFB.[/QUOTE

I mostly agree, especially the lacking of a barrel lock up, a rotating locking barrel lock up would be awsome.

Were I disagreed is the non reciprocating handle. I realky don't see at all were is the advantage of this, especially in the rfb design. Imo a reciprocating handle kick the a$$ of a forward assist!
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rally guy said:
Epoxy7 said:
Yes I'm talking about the Tavor vs the RFB. The engineering design of the RFB was clever using a 1938 receiver design. They managed to bring decent ergos to the RFB with only a couple small issues. The mag release being one with the RFB and the reciprocating charging handle being another. The RFB uses a tilting block. There's no lock up with the bolt to the barrel extension. A number of us suspect this is why the cheap non brass ammo has given us improved accuracy over our match grade reloads. The quality of the internals is a very distant second to that of the Tavor.

The RFB hits a niche market and does use ingenuity. It's why I waited 3 years for one and was in very quickly once they were announced (Second shipment). But.... it's not the rifle the Tavor is.

As for the RFB vs an AR. The AR10 is a significantly nicer firearm. I would prefer firing the RFB off hand, but the quality of the AR10, the trigger and accuracy potential beat the RFB hands down. If the AR10 was non restricted, I most likely wouldn't own the RFB.

In terms of ergos: The Tavor also wins. The front ejection of the RFB is nice. But... non reciprocating charging handle on the Tavor vs Reciprocating on the RFB, quick mag changes with the Tavor, not with the RFB.[/QUOTE

I mostly agree, especially the lacking of a barrel lock up, a rotating locking barrel lock up would be awsome.

Were I disagreed is the non reciprocating handle. I realky don't see at all were is the advantage of this, especially in the rfb design. Imo a reciprocating handle kick the a$$ of a forward assist!
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What does this even mean?
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Epoxy7 said:
The RFB uses a tilting block. There's no lock up with the bolt to the barrel extension. A number of us suspect this is why the cheap non brass ammo has given us improved accuracy over our match grade reloads.
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Agreed - with the larger than normal throat creating instability before engaging the rifling.

I have also become very apt at filing FAL mags for proper feeding. Most feeding issues relate to the magazine.

Even with its quirks I would not give up my RFB.
 
rally guy said:
My norinco 223 ammo is very inaccurate in my dd m4v5 and my 2 thermold 5/20 are jamomatic in the same dd m4v5. Does this means my dd is not a good rifle?
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I'm not even entering accuracy into the equation. I am saying that MOST other rifles will run an assortment of mags and ammo with SOME semblance of reliability. This has NOT been my experience with the RFB. And I have had 2 of them.

Lets look at it another way. If the RFB action were in a standard length rifle and restricted to boot (making it directly comparable to a 308 AR) the RFB would be considered crap. The ONLY reason that the RFB has some appeal, is because it is non restricted and a 308 bull pup. If you take those 2 attributes away it's not worth owning. In my humble opinion. Again, I own one. But ONLY because it is a non restricted .308 bull pup, not because I believe it is a super reliable gun.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Yes I'm talking about the Tavor vs the RFB. The engineering design of the RFB was clever using a 1938 receiver design. They managed to bring decent ergos to the RFB with only a couple small issues. The mag release being one with the RFB and the reciprocating charging handle being another. The RFB uses a tilting block. There's no lock up with the bolt to the barrel extension. A number of us suspect this is why the cheap non brass ammo has given us improved accuracy over our match grade reloads. The quality of the internals is a very distant second to that of the Tavor.

The RFB hits a niche market and does use ingenuity. It's why I waited 3 years for one and was in very quickly once they were announced (Second shipment). But.... it's not the rifle the Tavor is.

As for the RFB vs an AR. The AR10 is a significantly nicer firearm. I would prefer firing the RFB off hand, but the quality of the AR10, the trigger and accuracy potential beat the RFB hands down. If the AR10 was non restricted, I most likely wouldn't own the RFB.

In terms of ergos: The Tavor also wins. The front ejection of the RFB is nice. But... non reciprocating charging handle on the Tavor vs Reciprocating on the RFB, quick mag changes with the Tavor, not with the RFB.
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Agree completely. The RFB will never come close to being what the Tavor is for a combat rifle.
 
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